Author Topic: 10 Worst AMV Breakdown (Read 624 times)

VonGentlemen · « **on:** January 23, 2012, 05:06:14 pm »

There's a lot of really good AMVs out there. However, there are also a lot of very baddddd AMVs floating about the depths of YouTube, not so much streaming as broadcasting malevolently, hating and being hated by all.

My idea for a panel would be a deconstruction of the top ten worst AMVs I can find. There's actually a degree of merit to looking at them: I'm a decently experienced cinematographer, so attendees would have an opportunity to take away some interesting knowledge on how to make an AMV not suck, all the while hearing tangents on why the parents of several YouTube dwellers are probably in tears.

Lemme' know what you think of this idea! Feedback is always nice!

Also, there's a good chance that the legendary Poet and the Pendulum-Watermarked-Sonic AMV will show up...

Amadis · « **Reply #1 on:** January 25, 2012, 02:57:36 am »

I think constructive criticism is always a good thing, but a panel discussing bad amv's could be really hurtful and negative. And if it's -worst- amv's then it's very likely there won't be much good to say about them to contrast the bad, it could turn into a snarkfest really fast.

Also deconstructing someone's work without them there to defend it really isn't in the spirit of NDK; even the worst videos usually take a least a couple hours of work. I think you might have to get the creators' permission to show their videos in full, and who wants their stuff shown just so it can be insulted? Sorry to say, but this panel sounds like just an excuse to make fun of someone else's stuff while disguising it as critique. Showing only terrible videos doesn't create a discussion, because no one is going to say "But I like when the video quality is bad!" so all that's left is negative comments. We already have youtube for mean comments :/

Personally bad amv's are hard for me to watch, I don't think I'd want to attend a panel where I was forced to watch something crappy and then comment on why it's crap so I can get on to the next crappy video..

I think deconstructing amv's that are more in the middle for quality as well as some really good ones would be more productive; instead of only teaching aspiring amv editors what sucks so they won't..suck, teach them what works so they can be awesome!

Instead of "this sucks, this sucks, this sucks, let's laugh at the person who made this," you could do something more like a "Do's and Don't's of AMV Editing", maybe short clips of vids with subtitles, network logos, aspect ratio problems, and timing errors in comparison to similar videos without those errors, and people could talk about their personal likes and dislikes in amv's.

If anything, some VERY brave aspiring editors could apply ahead of time to submit their work or work in progress to have it viewed and critiqued by the audience. I think having middle-of-the road videos with good and bad aspects, or aspiring editors present, would be more educational and create a more respectful atmosphere.

Mahou Shoujo Michi · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2012, 06:56:12 am »

Another issue is, sometimes what "sucks" is subjective. I mean sure there are technical issues. A low res grainy video where you can barely hear the sound probably won't garner much positive feedback. On the other hand, it may come down to personal taste. Example: A person may not be a fan of your "standard" Linkin Park song set to popular Shounen anime ( Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, Naruto etc) they may feel that this is overdone, uncreative and "sucks" but there are still people out there who eat it up.

GimmeAnime · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2012, 10:44:30 am »

I think some people are taking this too seriously.

And I disagree about the whole "not in the spirit of NDK"... I'm a member of the Mystery Anime Theater crew. I think that alone speaks for itself.

Amadis · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2012, 02:49:37 pm »

Well I think poking fun at an anime or redubbing for humorous effect is different than pointing out how terrible an amv is and making fun of the editor of the video. Mystery anime theater you know it's all in good fun, and you guys usually make fun of the characters or situations, not the creators. I just think that there's too much room for personal attacks, while disguising it as educational :/

GimmeAnime · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2012, 03:57:17 pm »

Quote from: Amadis on January 26, 2012, 02:49:37 pm

Well I think poking fun at an anime or redubbing for humorous effect is different than pointing out how terrible an amv is and making fun of the editor of the video. Mystery anime theater you know it's all in good fun, and you guys usually make fun of the characters or situations, not the creators. I just think that there's too much room for personal attacks, while disguising it as educational :/

I know I'm going to get in trouble for not being political about this, but we constantly make fun of the creators, companies and redubbing actors. Carl Macek alone would have roasted several times over in the heat of our skewering.

However, there is a fine line between just saying it sucked and moving on, or saying HOW & WHY it sucked. That is what we should be looking for in a panel like that. Along with humor. Otherwise you get a dry critique that isn't interesting, rather than taking it apart Daily Show style.

Amadis · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2012, 04:16:40 pm »

Yeah I guess I see what you're saying. I think this panel just sounds like an excuse to be mean :/ just my opinion though, like I said I probably wouldn't attend a panel solely about bad amv's.

The Ronin · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2012, 06:50:42 pm »

Quote from: GimmeAnime on January 26, 2012, 03:57:17 pm

taking it apart Daily Show style.

I'd go to that.

VonGentlemen · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2012, 09:05:43 pm »

The panel would be run in a Tosh.0/Daily Show/TBSITU fashion. The videos would be deconstructed instead of just bashed, and the creators will remain unnamed for the sake of not running a discussion at their expense. I do feel that the comedy elements of the panel would do it well, as it would serve to make the education aspects more memorable and entertaining.

Skrae · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2012, 08:00:30 am »

I would really recommend contacting the AMV Editors and getting permission (granted that might be a little difficult if they know the nature of the panel). You should do this anyway, to make sure everyone's respective butts are covered, but also with the possibility that the editor may show up and not like what he/she sees. People get touchy over works of art, not matter the quality.

VonGentlemen · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2012, 02:53:49 am »

I will very much do that. Is the collective consensus that this panel could very well work?

Ralayna Laredo · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2012, 10:23:51 pm »

I honestly don't really care much for this idea... I think it needs work, I agree with whoever said that there should be good ones shown too, and it should be more of a "Do's and Don'ts of AMV-making..." or something. But if it's just gonna be "oh this sucks and here's why" thing... I dunno, I honestly probably wouldn't show up for it. I don't think a lot of people really would.

HorsePony · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2012, 01:04:54 pm »

Well we for sure would have two people going.

One of them being me.

Sinker · « **Reply #13 on:** February 19, 2012, 05:43:34 pm »

With the number of people that attend the kan being what it is, it's usually not difficult to find 50-100 people who are interested in any one thing. Also given that this has to do with AMVs (and people go nuts for anything remotely associated with AMVs) I doubt you'd have a hard time with people attending. Your real issue is whether the panels staff likes the idea or not.

Personally I could see it mostly being a matter of how it's presented. I have been to a number of panels that had a great subject, but were presented poorly and others that I thought might be mediocre but were not because the panelist knew how to excite others about the subject.

Ralayna Laredo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 24, 2012, 01:40:00 am »

Quote from: Sinker on February 19, 2012, 05:43:34 pm

With the number of people that attend the kan being what it is, it's usually not difficult to find 50-100 people who are interested in any one thing. Also given that this has to do with AMVs (and people go nuts for anything remotely associated with AMVs) I doubt you'd have a hard time with people attending. Your real issue is whether the panels staff likes the idea or not.

Personally I could see it mostly being a matter of how it's presented. I have been to a number of panels that had a great subject, but were presented poorly and others that I thought might be mediocre but were not because the panelist knew how to excite others about the subject.

Exactly, it's a matter of how it's presented and how it comes across to not just the staff but also to the people who might come to such a panel. Something like that... there's... I dunno, I'd say tweak the idea so that it's informative and constructive, not just something that's a reason to flame people just because you didn't like a particular video. A lot of people might still be beginners or even just rusty or just experimenting with things. It could be any number of things behind any particular idea, and personally for something like this I think you should hammer it out more clearly to where it's a way of helping people improve their amv skills, if that makes sense. Not trying to ruffle feathers here, just stating my view on it.

Breanna · « **Reply #15 on:** February 24, 2012, 08:58:57 am »

Maybe you can make your own "worst AMV's." Have them go for 30 seconds to a minute. That way no one is hating anyone and you don't need permission to air your own works. That's how most comic artists do things. When they are at a panel, they draw what they think are bad comics.

Ralayna Laredo · « **Reply #16 on:** February 24, 2012, 12:26:57 pm »

Quote from: Breanna on February 24, 2012, 08:58:57 am

Maybe you can make your own "worst AMV's." Have them go for 30 seconds to a minute. That way no one is hating anyone and you don't need permission to air your own works. That's how most comic artists do things. When they are at a panel, they draw what they think are bad comics.

Yeah, that could be a good idea too, I agree. Wonder if whoever started this thread is reading this.

VonGentlemen · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2012, 06:38:47 pm »

I am. That actually sounds like a better idea, because it means I don't have to worry about offending someone and can show some of the worst AMV making mistakes.

Thank you!

Breanna · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2012, 08:44:37 pm »

Quote from: VonGentlemen on March 03, 2012, 06:38:47 pm

I am. That actually sounds like a better idea, because it means I don't have to worry about offending someone and can show some of the worst AMV making mistakes.

Thank you!

Your welcome! Glad I could help.

VonGentlemen · « **Reply #19 on:** March 05, 2012, 01:28:34 am »

Do you know when panel registration opens up?

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