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When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« on: December 11, 2011, 03:57:36 pm »
If Sailor Moon manga is selling great and if all time manga in the USA why can't the usa get Sailor Moon anime back soon if alot of place's in the world is getting on there tv or dvd's why not the USA if Sailor Moon t-shirts & more from the in the USA to buy why not the anime to? if these things are anime to Sailor Moon why not the anime dvd's to the USA?
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2011, 04:27:19 pm »
No one knows.

Answer Man from Anime New Network said it best, and I quote

"I've said this before, but it bears repeating; the brave, foolish anime company who has the wherewithal to follow through on the task of rereleasing Sailor Moon in the West will rake in millions. Millions. Or maybe some comparably large figure. Not necessarily millions. Hundreds of Thousands.

And, see, that's sort of the problem. Sailor Moon is still worth a lot of money. Both in Japan and in the West, people still love that show. They want to buy it. It has a pure nostalgia value now more than ever. And the main reason you can't is because of one monolithic Japanese company: Toei.

Toei owns the rights to Sailor Moon, and for whatever reason or reasons, they're clutching them tightly to their chest."

Simple put, the USA CANNOT rerelease Sailor Moon because it's parent company, Toei, does not want to give the rights.  Whether or not this will change in the future is unknown.

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2011, 10:40:35 pm »
I'm not sure if it's "won't release" or "won't release without large amounts of cash". Because the series is still very popular in Japan and in American, they probably want a LOT of money for the rights.

The other problem the Toei (and other anime companies) are worried are about are "reverse imports" where Japanese consumers will buy the American release because even with the shipping and everything else, the American releases as cheaper than the Japanese ones. But most American companies know that a good number of American fans won't buy Sailor Moon without a Japanese track. Hense, we're stuck.

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 03:46:43 pm »
This is bad for the fans, and it will raise the value of some of the products...
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2011, 02:12:13 am »
You girl's and guy's are you i think it will come down to what anime company's that have the most money for Sailor Moon rights to dvds for the usa and i hope to see the Sailor Moon artbook's to the usa?
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2011, 12:04:06 pm »
I think everyone hopes for that....I would love to see most of the art books again and also see some of the collector cards again.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2011, 05:53:35 pm »
Yes we would love to see the artbooks on the usa the japanese artbooks are way to high for the USA anime fans for book manga, artbooks, like for vol 1 ok from was 40 us dollers for me in over all the low to 100.00 to 1,000.00 us dollers.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2011, 07:43:32 pm »
If they do have the season's on dvd the most i would pay is 100.00 dollers for a season box set each.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 01:20:57 pm »
So i hear that Sailor Moon dvd rights is in a war bid of anime dvd companys right?
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2012, 04:56:37 pm »
So i hear that Sailor Moon dvd rights is in a war bid of anime dvd companys right?

No news on that front. The last I heard is that either Bandai is refusing to allow it out at all, preferring to sell higher priced Japanese DVDs or that the asking price from Bandai is too high and no anime company is willing (or maybe even able) to pay it.

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 05:25:45 pm »
No news on that front. The last I heard is that either Bandai is refusing to allow it out at all, preferring to sell higher priced Japanese DVDs or that the asking price from Bandai is too high and no anime company is willing (or maybe even able) to pay it.

That would make sense, the Japanese Sailor Moon DVD's are a rare anomaly in Japan.  Now only do they contain 6 episodes per disc, which is most times 3 times more than the regular Japanese Anime DVD, but they were also sold for relatively cheap.  The running price is 3800JPY per disc (About 50USD) this is quite cheap, Japanese Anime DVD's alone cost anywhere from 4000JPY to 7000JPY (don't even look at Blu-ray prices).  Even the half season boxsets were cheap (Japanese anime wise), at 12000JPY or $150.  If FUNimation got their hands on the series, even I don't think they would push a lot of product with an SRP of $150+.  Especially when you hear stories of titles like "Heaven's Lost Property" not getting a blu-ray release, because of reverse imports coming out too soon in America(though soon I guess is subjective to who you ask).   
(However, for us US fans, we have something to look forward too, those half season sets in that were released in Japan, to celebrate the 20th anniversary, are now out of print-according to CDJapan, with the exception of the Live Action series) While this doesn't mean anything per say, it does mean that Japan's 10 year cycle of the series has come to a close this time, and that maybe (and I stress that maybe greatly) we will see some other globalization of Sailor Moon.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 10:21:45 pm »
All I know is my roommate's DVDs of Sailor Moon are not leaving our house again...we have Season 1 from the ADV release and he made it clear to everyone that we will have it loaned out to anyone, even his best friend who visits each day isn't allowed to take them home. I would like to have a copy of my own...but I'm more interested in Sailor Moon S, Supers and Stars.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 03:52:25 pm »
this series will not get a re-release... but on the other-hand, please enjoy the new re-re-re-re-relase of DragonBall Z w/ new intro... lol

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 04:17:33 pm »
I don't see why in japan they can't make a deal for Sailor Moon dvd's if peolpe can bootleg them & make money off if they are losing money like Sailor Stars anime is not in the USA & peolpe buy the bootleg to watch it & japan & usa funimation or anime dvd buyers can't make a dime & we Sailor Moon fan want the the USA Sailor Moon dvds to see all of them.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2012, 01:31:47 pm »
It's not that hard to see. Say You owned sailormoon and it was this huge hit in the US(side note in no way or form wish some USA tv network to try to made a new sailormoon cartoon) and makes you millions. Now Japan wants to buy it from you for $5 a episode and sell it for $100 an episode. Would you take that deal?

Now say you are the one the one releasing it in Japan. You dubbed it, sub it and code it. That's someone translating it. Hireling and working with VAs and many a code monkey to put it all together. Say thats another $500 a person. You are looking at a 10 episode boxset being made for about $3000por so (these are just random numbers it my make believe deal if someone ones the real numbers let me know) you sell it for $300 or so. You may find enough people to buy that but a lot of fans do not have that cash. Would you take that deal when for the same price you can make two anime series?

Don't forget sailor moon maybe big in Japan and have a spot in the  hearts in many anime fans but cutie lovey love magical girls are not really the flavor of the month right now.(what is the flavor of anime this year anyway?)
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 05:07:32 pm »
Don't forget sailor moon maybe big in Japan and have a spot in the  hearts in many anime fans but cutie lovey love magical girls are not really the flavor of the month right now.(what is the flavor of anime this year anyway?)

I don't think its a fact of whether or not it will sell.  If anything the manga sales shows that it will sell.  Being an on again, off again NY Times Bestseller title, as well as Neilsons books scan #1 seller for the month of September.  The thing is that Toei knows when it has a hit on it's hands, production costs and all that don't really matter to Japan, unless it is done by a parent company in America, like Aniplex, especially with an anime that is 20 years old.  Dubbing, coding, and all that is done in the U.S. by the company who licensed the anime.  It's their money that they are going in debt with.  I have a feeling Toei has either done one of two things:

1.)  It's selling it for an extremely high amount of money.  Companies are waiting for the title to go a little more in their price range before they decide it is worth the investment.  Sure you can argue that companies know this is going to be a hit anime, but is it going to sell back 1,000,000,000JPY plus U.S. production costs, now that the Japanese has done it's 20 year anniversary thing in Japan, I can imagine the title is going to get a little cheaper, since it has had it's revival hay day, and the product is going to go/has gone out of print in Japan.

2.) The Japanese, for one reason or another, has not opened the title for licensing here in the United States.  This may seem like a really silly reason.  But for the Japanese importing, and even worse reverse importing is a major influence in the Japanese anime market.  Therefore Japanese companies are not willing to licensing things right after a release.   Now after a while Toei will open up licensing on a global scale.  Hopefully not a completely astronomical price, because that could lead to #1. 

On a side note: The idea of a 10 episode boxset is very silly.  Most animes are done by Japanese seasons, which are 11-13 episodes.  (Because if you look at the calendar you can see that is how many weeks are in a season.) :P
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2012, 05:48:26 pm »
In my example the anime was made The USA. So then Japan would have done all that work.

When I said magical girls was no longer the flavor I meant new fans might not be as welling to pay the big bucks for it. Yes the oldies of us will go for it but here are not enough of us to make it wroth the time or money to make. As for the manga...there is a different in paying $10-$20 for a book vs $50+ for the DVDs.

Again made up deal was only for 10 epasoides, if I knew the right numbers I would have used those. And knowing is half the battle!

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2012, 08:28:11 am »
Well when you do it that it becomes very different, because of the parent companies.  So going by what you say if a company, like Cartoon Network made an cartoon.  Well Cartoon Network is owned by Time Warner, which is a subsidiary to Warner Brothers, (if they thought the cartoon would do well in Japan) they could send the product to Cartoon Network Japan, and they could do all the dubbing and stuff like that.  The whole thing would be done first party, and it would cost less, because all the profit would be going to the same person.  Unlike Japanese released anime in America, where there is a second party, like FUNimation, because Anime is not produced by large corporations like cartoons are here, the closest we get is Studio Ghibli, which works with Disney.  Another thing to consider in Japan media usually sells for $40-$90 a disc.  Half seasons and full seasons dont come up until much later on down the line.  So yes they could ideally sell $300 DVDs with 5 or 6 episodes (assuming this is the limited edition) and have it sell. 

As for flavor, I think that Sailor Moon isn't like Sekirei, FMA, Hetalia, or Black Butler.  I think it is more DBZ.  DBZ has a ton of re-releases, and FUNimation keeps re-releasing it because it makes money.  Though 20 various re-releases probably wouldn't sell, but I think 13 episode boxsets, or even half season boxsets would be ideal (like how the Japanese most recently released).  Then after they release all 5 seasons, but them out on full season boxsets.  If you think about it logically $40-$50 for a half season boxset would be not to un-ordinary, SRP is usually more than what they ask for in stores and online.  If they set an SRP of $59.99 it would probably be $39.99 in stores and on Amazon.
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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 04:12:41 pm »
There's another added dimension is that two people own the right to the Sailor Moon anime, Naoko Takeuchi and Toei, and as of last I hear, they basically act like the worst divorced couple ever. So on top of the fact of releasing it, figuring out how the music rights to work out (which Japanese companies can be REALLY picky about when releasing them in America, especially older series with lots of songs), the money and how to release it, it's getting the two parties who will only speak through lawyers to each other to agree on it.

FUNi usually gets asked this question as every con/Q&A/twitter session/etc and they always say, "We're trying but it's complicated and slow." With how notoriously slow Japanese companies are with corresponding and making decisions for anime already under license, you can imagine what a unique nightmare Sailor Moon is to try to get the rights for.

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Re: When is Sailor Moon anime coming back to the USA?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2012, 11:06:29 am »
Most anime is not really owned by one company, but a conglomerate of companies. And if there's bad blood between 2 companies, well, it can make things extra hard. Kodocha was a good example, and even after all of the rights wrangling, Funimation still didn't get rights to "7 o'clock News" for the first season opening.

Short story: There's a lot of money and lawyers involved with getting rights to Sailor Moon back to the US. It may take several more years.