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Offline Kamina Prinny

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AMV Contest Change Wanted
« on: September 25, 2011, 06:37:08 pm »
My buddy and I submitted some AMVs into the contest and while I am not surprised they didn't make it, I see there is a stupidly high standard for these AMVs. So I think there should be a tier system like with the cosplay contest. This will allow people to participate if they aren't master like the standards that the judges of the current contest are. A simple three tiers should suffice, beginner, intermediate, and master. There aren't beginner cosplayers competing in the highest tier for the costume contest, so why should beginner AMV directors go against high tier directors?

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2011, 09:38:29 pm »
I second this idea. Though, when will we have the time to show all the videos? they are usually 3-5 minutes long. Having 4 categories and at least 5 videos each, that can lead to at least an hour to two hours each tier. If they can somehow fit this around the three days (Intermediate Friday, Master Saturday, and  Beginner Sunday) then I would definitely try!
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2011, 09:51:13 pm »
This is idiotic... illogical...

Even out of the good ones that make the cut, there aren't that many AMVs that are outstanding... if you want your AMV seen at the con work on your editing skills and try again. There are a multitude of talented editors out there and even if your works aren't there yet keep trying.

I am digressing here though....adding in the AMVs that don't make the cut is a poor use of the main events area. I personally don't think the standards are that high they just take the best that are submitted. I guess in the end I am simply saying that I disagree with your idea and feel that it would waste the time of con goers who go the show looking to see the best AMVs they can.

They only way I could see this as a decent idea is to remove them from the show and screen them in the video rooms....but they already have the AMV Overload for the AMVs that didn't make the cut.


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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 12:19:51 am »
While I understand your frustrations about not making it into the contest, i don't think the idea is feasible.  That's a lot of time to account for.  Also, how do you determine who goes in what tier?  You run the risk of getting people who aren't necessarily beginners entering against beginners to get awards.

My advice, don't fret.  Keep editing, get better, and try again.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2011, 10:17:08 am »
We are most definitely looking into making major overhaul changes to the AMV contest for 2012. However having different skill levels is not likely going to be one of the changes we make.  Mainly it boils down to what different ability levels would achieve and where and when we would place them.  The main AMV contest over the years has developed into one of if not "the" most competitive and respectable contests in the world to be accepted into.  This past year we had 18 countries represented and we look to add onto this in following years.  When videos are placed into the contest, they are put there because the judges feel they either have exceptional quality or creativity merit, or have exceptional audience entertainment potential.

We have also seen that simply due to an editors beginner or advanced ability has no bearing on their ability to make a video worth being in the contest.
For reference, several years ago the video "As thin as paper" was made by a local editor and it was his first video and not only made it into the contest, but won the asuka for Judges choice.
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=128710

Then of course is where we put it, as has been pointed out, we do have the AMV Overload event to showcase as many videos as we can that are submitted.  Back in the days when I ran the Fanime Con AMV contest, I was given a large room for two entire days to show videos, by having access to this we were able to show all the videos sent into us.  However my belief is such that there are conventions that have dedicated AMV 24 hour rooms, and this is just too much to be showing at one event and everything becomes a blur and nothing is special. ( Hey maybe that's why I named it AMV Overload )  ^-^

NDK tries its best to put as much variety of content as it possibly can for the sake of its attendees,  making one event or another have too much content could overshadow or push out other events and I'd rather not go down that path.

Of course the hidden reason is also one that Pwolf pointed out,  we want editors to strive to make something better each year.  Making the contest less difficult and challenging to be apart of would be counterproductive to our ongoing goal of hosting the best AMV contest in the world for our attendees to enjoy.  There are dozens of world class editors that watch this forum board that are desperately trying to give as much advise as they can to help editors improve to make the contest even better.

However I will say that nothing is written in stone and I always want as much feedback and ideas on how the AMV programming at NDK can improve.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2011, 03:15:25 pm »
Playing devil's advocate here but....

Me and my Friend Simplicity got our videos into the con on our first try. Maybe you should take a moment and consider the concept of your video in relation to the con demographic as well as your relative editing skill. I spent years editing before competition and so did Simplicity. Complaining about a "...stupidly high standard for these AMVs." Honestly just makes you sound like a sore loser. I for one do not want to watch crap videos after standing in line for the most popular event at the con.

As far as improving your editing skills go, there are panels during the con ran by more established AMV editors that you could find fantastic and helpful as well as a number of online communities. (I used to spend a lot of time on animemusicvideos.org before the advent of youtube).

Just take a moment to consider how you sound when you are complaining. If I was a judge and I saw your username after this little episode, I wouldn't be very likely to put your video on the lineup.

In short: be mature about losing, we all have our wins and we all have our loses. Don't let it discourage you and don't retreat to the internet and complain about things, particular in a tone you wouldn't take with Scottanime in person.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2011, 03:49:01 pm »
ReX, we  also used windows movie maker for our entries XD

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 03:10:06 pm »
ReX, we  also used windows movie maker for our entries XD

You've got to be kidding me... Anytime I've gone there's only been videos that look like they're either made with Sony Vegas or some other insanely expensive program. <---Which is a lot of my problem, by the time I manage to save up enough con money I don't have much for anything else.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 03:43:59 pm »
I have to comment here. I think the idea of adding groups for AMVs is kind of silly. The con doesn't have the space, time or manpower to play/vote/review hundreds of videos in *each* tier. Not too mention what was already brought up - how do you choose a tier? How do you keep experts at AMVs from entering all of the tiers and winning in each?

I think that you should be good at AMVs if you want your video to get in. Why would I want to stand in line for two to three hours to sit through bad (or "beginner") AMVs when I'd rather see the "expert" AMVs? I think you should strive to make better and better AMVs each year, rather than just complain each time your video doesn't make it. I'm sure there are plenty of "expert" AMVs that don't get in each year. The sheer volume of AMV entries, I'm sure, is quite enough to keep everyone in the AMV staff quite busy.

So what I'm trying to say is - don't complain but make something better each year, and I'm sure you'll get your video in eventually. Don't just stay at a beginner level and complain that you don't make it. Go view the winners each year, and try to find the secret. And I've seen plenty of great videos that use a free/cheap program rather than expensive ones.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 03:52:30 pm »
I have to comment here. I think the idea of adding groups for AMVs is kind of silly. The con doesn't have the space, time or manpower to play/vote/review hundreds of videos in *each* tier. Not too mention what was already brought up - how do you choose a tier? How do you keep experts at AMVs from entering all of the tiers and winning in each?

I think that you should be good at AMVs if you want your video to get in. Why would I want to stand in line for two to three hours to sit through bad (or "beginner") AMVs when I'd rather see the "expert" AMVs? I think you should strive to make better and better AMVs each year, rather than just complain each time your video doesn't make it. I'm sure there are plenty of "expert" AMVs that don't get in each year. The sheer volume of AMV entries, I'm sure, is quite enough to keep everyone in the AMV staff quite busy.

So what I'm trying to say is - don't complain but make something better each year, and I'm sure you'll get your video in eventually. Don't just stay at a beginner level and complain that you don't make it. Go view the winners each year, and try to find the secret. And I've seen plenty of great videos that use a free/cheap program rather than expensive ones.

I wasn't complaining. And by all means, if you know where I can find cheap/free video editing programs, I'm open to the suggestions. O.O I was just commenting on the fact that I hadn't ever seen any make it in that were made with anything less than Sony Vegas, definitely never anything with Windows Movie Maker. O.O I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2012, 02:38:31 pm »
I wasn't complaining. And by all means, if you know where I can find cheap/free video editing programs, I'm open to the suggestions. O.O I was just commenting on the fact that I hadn't ever seen any make it in that were made with anything less than Sony Vegas, definitely never anything with Windows Movie Maker. O.O I wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers.
ReX, we  also used windows movie maker for our entries XD
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 03:19:20 pm »


Is there something up with the site, or is my browser being a bit off because all that showed up were the quotes, not the reply. O.O
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 05:14:30 pm »
Is there something up with the site, or is my browser being a bit off because all that showed up were the quotes, not the reply. O.O
no it's not your computer. You can't quote quotes. And The Ronin didn't say anything.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 06:23:07 pm »
no it's not your computer. You can't quote quotes. And The Ronin didn't say anything.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 10:01:04 pm »
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!

I used a quote to answer the other post.

Well that's a good thing to know lol.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2012, 06:56:30 pm »
Well that's a good thing to know lol.
Yeah, sorry if it confused you. I do that sometimes.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 01:09:01 am »
Yeah, sorry if it confused you. I do that sometimes.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 11:38:53 am »
Sorry to high jack this for a second or two. Is there away to "save" a few seats in the middle (far from the speakers) during the amv panels? I know there are a few autistic/sensitive hearing people at ndk that would love to go to the Amvs but when they go and end up sitting to close to a speaker or to close to a screen it forces them to leave.

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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 08:39:30 am »
the best way around this problem is to arrive early so that you get your best choice of seat.  due to the extreme popularity of all of our amv events it is near impossible to hold seats for any duration of time for any particular person.  We do our best to have areas that cater to those who can't tolerate the very overwhelming high volumes that occur at these events, but taking the time to hold seats for people that may not even show up when we have limited number of seats already and we have to turn many people away isn't a viable option at this time.
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Re: AMV Contest Change Wanted
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 04:35:50 pm »
The only suggestion I would have is to see if the screens could be raised a little bit higher than they have been the last few years. I've had to sit in the back because of having the kids and the stroller, and even being 6'2" I was losing the bottom third of the screens to people's heads, and my daughter had to stand on the seats to watch.
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