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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2011, 10:05:58 pm »
(To be honest I really only read about half of the thread) But what I've seen, depending on where you are and who you talk to the term "Otaku" means something completely different to everyone. I realize that the term in Japan is referring to the derogatory and perhaps unsavory part of the population that give other people the heebie jeebies. In the States most people (I use the term "most" a bit loosely) there are people who consider the "Otakus" to be more or less integrated with the rest of the Anime/Manga/Vidego game ect population.

I use the term to refer to people who have been interested in this for a good portion of their lives and have many collectibles or many collections of manga/anime/video games ect. I personally don't consider myself otaku (I used to when I was younger and also didn't know the true meaning of it) because my collections have gone majorly downhill over the last few years when I had less money to spend on it. But that doesn't hinder my love for the culture of Japan and the things that come out of it.

I believe that if you follow the traditional Japanese of how they view an "Otaku" then more than likely you wouldn't consider yourself to fall into that category. If you view it as a modified person who is very intense about being involved in the anime and manga world there are plenty of people who would probably fit into that category. If you base otaku on the amount of anime and manga related things/activities they participate in, fine.

My vote after reading what I have of this is: Stop the fighting when it's not going to get you anywhere to changing people's opinions. If you have something you would like to add to someone's post or refute it it's all good and well. It's not fair to attack someone and act unsavory when everyone should be aware that everyone else is entitled to their own opinion without being crude and rude about it.

I have an LED frisbee that I love to use in the summer months. I call it a "sailboat," most of the time. I know that "sailboat" has a definition -an established meaning if you will-, but I still like to refer to my frisbee as a sailboat.

Wait, why is everyone making fun of me? It must be because I think outside of the box and enjoy my sailboat so much. Silly normies. desu

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2011, 10:32:17 pm »
I have an LED frisbee that I love to use in the summer months. I call it a "sailboat," most of the time. I know that "sailboat" has a definition -an established meaning if you will-, but I still like to refer to my frisbee as a sailboat.

Wait, why is everyone making fun of me? It must be because I think outside of the box and enjoy my sailboat so much. Silly normies. desu

So my question is there was a point to that right?
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2011, 10:11:06 pm »
I have an LED frisbee that I love to use in the summer months. I call it a "sailboat," most of the time. I know that "sailboat" has a definition -an established meaning if you will-, but I still like to refer to my frisbee as a sailboat.

Wait, why is everyone making fun of me? It must be because I think outside of the box and enjoy my sailboat so much. Silly normies. desu

Boomerjinks what the heck? I'm clocking a little Poe's Law up in here, but judging by your previous comments I think you're being sarcastic and insulting...

As I have a tendency to write little tl;dr essays here in this thread, I'll try to be brief.

I agree with those who say that otaku should work to redefine the term and prove that we're not all creepy weirdos. I think it's kinda harsh to just judge someone based on a word.

It's sort of to the point that if someone starts posting "hi, I'm new to the con, can't wait to hang out with other otakus," the rest of us know to steer clear of that person because the bar has been set by so many other people.

Don't you think that's a little harsh? I can understand steering clear of someone immediately demonstrating themselves to be weird, but it's attitudes like that that keep me coming back to this thread. Why can't you just say "Hi! Welcome to NDK/the forums! I'm Boomerjinks and I like such and such anime, etc, what do you like?" instead of immediately judging them "weirdo alert! steer clear!" because of someone else?

I mean, first impressions are important and all, but did you ever think that maybe people become weird and creepy partly because of how they're treated? I know tons of people that might seem a little off at first, including myself, because of shyness or some other minor issue. My policy is to be kind to everyone as long as I can manage, because I don't know what they're going through or have gone through.

"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" and all that.

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2011, 10:27:44 pm »
You bring up good points, but seem to have missed one of mine, which is prior experience. It's not that saying "Hey I'm an "otaku"!" is going to mean it's open season for harshing on that person, but that other people who use the moniker have set such a strong precedent, so why bother lumping yourself in with them?

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2011, 10:49:57 pm »
You bring up good points, but seem to have missed one of mine, which is prior experience. It's not that saying "Hey I'm an "otaku"!" is going to mean it's open season for harshing on that person, but that other people who use the moniker have set such a strong precedent, so why bother lumping yourself in with them?

why does it have to be "us" and "them"? And I think I've already stated my opinion at length in this thread: I can use whatever word I like to describe myself because I personally don't view it as a derogatory thing and don't associate the word exclusively with the few weird people I've met in the anime community. Your "prior experience" is different from my prior experience. Having not personally encountered a large number of people who have set a strong negative precedent, I feel the derogatory usage is a personal opinion as opposed to a universal fact. We obviously disagree on this. I wasn't ignoring the rest of the post containing that quote, it's just already been addressed. But I know I'm kinda verbose...

It's not that the rest of us are using "otaku" as a derogatory descriptor. It's that the people in the fandom who are most likely to be weirdos tend to be the ones who identify themselves as "otaku."

It's sort of to the point that if someone starts posting "hi, I'm new to the con, can't wait to hang out with other otakus," the rest of us know to steer clear of that person because the bar has been set by so many other people.

But right there you did basically say that "hey I'm an otaku!" means it's 'open season on harshing'. Not necessarily actively being mean or picking on someone, but certainly ignoring or shunning them. You're saying you pretty much know for certain that person is a weirdo, so don't give them a chance to prove otherwise just steer clear.

I don't think there's anything wrong or weird with that introduction. I know it's just an example, but there the use of the word otaku immediately means judge/steer clear of/ignore this person without getting to know them first. Even when they haven't yet demonstrated what kind of person they are. I understand you've experienced a strong precedent for otaku = weirdness, but if that's as far as you get before judging someone as 'steer clear' how can you know that all the otaku you've met are weird when you didn't give them a chance?

What I'm saying is: I do agree that avoiding someone who you've experienced to be weird/annoying/threatening is reasonable, but I feel that judging and avoiding a person based on a single word is not, regardless of past experience.

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #65 on: June 13, 2011, 01:10:13 am »
I don't think that it's an open season on harshing, if someone were to introduce themselves as "Hi! I'm Emily from some city in some state, and I'm a HUGE otaku!!" I wouldn't turn right around and say something like " Oh god, what a r-----, stay the hell away from me!" I would in fact, just say Hi back to them, welcome them to the forums or whatever, however in the back of my mind, I would be a bit wary.  Once you see or hear something enough times, it leaves a mark on your psyche.  Now you can say "But! You're not suppose to judge people!" Which is fine and dandy, but the truth of the matter is we all judge people to varying degrees, and we are judged as well.  No one is a mind reader, not everyone is going to get to know you for the special snowflake that you are.  Now am I saying we should just close ourselves off to getting to know other people, just because of a word they use to identify themselves with? NO a MILLION TIMES NO just that certain things can cause you to slam on your mental brakes, so to speak.

Here's a personal example for me, I'll fully admit, I CRINGE when I hear someone say "I love yaoi!!" Why? Because a good majority of the fans that I have had the pleasure of meeting, are the hyperactive 13-15 year old fans, the ones who say "OMG!! xD I LUURVE my bishies desu!!" the ones who hate female characters for getting in the way of their favorite pairings 'true love'  "grr! so and so is such a ****!" the ones who ship perfectly straight characters, characters that hate eachother, treat it like a fad, and would smack you with a paddle if they were given the chance.  But I KNOW that not all fans of the genre act this way, yet if someone says "I love yaoi!" part of my brain says "oh...wonderful.."  However, I wouldn't skip the chance to get to know this person if I was presented with the opportunity to do so.

So yes, fully judging, mocking, or ridiculing a person based on a word they use to describe themselves is wrong.  But it's completely natural to feel wary of something, sometimes your gut instinct pans out some times it doesn't.



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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2011, 02:03:31 am »
oh no, I'll admit I have my own prejudices and judgements like anyone else. I just think it's unreasonable to judge someone based entirely on a word without otherwise taking stock of their general demeanor. I'll still try to get to know someone even if I'm not a fan of their personal label or fandom, not "oh they used the word otaku, I'm gonna stay away from them." Obviously if someone is acting creepy or threatening then no I'm not gonna give them the time of day; but that's part of their demeanor, not the fact that they introduced themselves with a particular descriptor.

The example Boomerjinks presented was that he and "the rest of us" (whoever they may be) would steer clear of that person based on the word. Your reaction Michi seems reasonable to me.

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #67 on: June 13, 2011, 03:43:12 pm »
"the rest of us" (whoever they may be)

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #68 on: June 13, 2011, 09:41:00 pm »
After reading some of the books called Mechademia, I have seen a lot of different articles from the books and it seems that the culture we are trying to explain to ourselves isn't about trying to make ourselves accepted or even if what Otaku is. It is the fact that we are looking a culture in interest and figuring how we could emulate it to the best of our abilities. The problem that I am seeing is that in the case of the, I'm going to stop using Otaku, and just use Anime Fandom, is that we are not all the same in the way we view it. In some cases as seen in the works of one of the articles in Mechademia volume 1: The World of Anime Fandom in America, written by Susan Napier, we are looking at it as though we are still a consumer nation. There is a time when peopel will discuss how much anime we own, how we live through it and how we work with it. Though we as many cultures live with the idea of the taboo or outsider views.

Its kind of like going around saying, "hey, I'm a nerd," or "I'm a jock," we are all in a different volume of fandom. There are many people who live and breath their anime, while there are those who are more like, living and breathing their costumes, but then again, we don't escape the reality that we have to work to make these things, we have to work to get to the conventions. Some of the people I have seen in the case of American Anime Fandom versus any other fandom out there is that we in most cases give more money into the economy when we do buy anime and we do purchase manga. So in truth, we are saying, "Be one of us?" no, we are are in fact telling people, "its okay to be a fan of something."

What is really important is less of what being an Otaku is, is more of who we support economically and also socially. Anime has become more part of our culture because we are discovering that there are characters we relate to. Are we Otaku in a positive sense or a negative sense if we are supporting an open economy.

Sorry, I just thought people should actually read the article, its a shame we have to go on a hunt for the book to get this information. More or less, yes, Otaku is a hot button topic. People look less at it as a type of taboo or more of a fashionable sense. Harajuko bags which are popular are considered to be part of the fandom and so forth. You have to admit, some of the fashion we have from the ideas of Otaku have flown far into our culture and also the cultures of the world. So far the books did go on to talk in depth.

If anyone wants to know where to get the Mechademia books, go to the library and Prospector it, trying to buy it out right is near next to impossible at present. Books are out of print.
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #69 on: June 14, 2011, 01:40:27 am »

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dude what? I don't get it...

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #70 on: June 14, 2011, 09:23:49 am »
dude what? I don't get it...

We accept you, one of us! We accept you, one of us!
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #71 on: June 14, 2011, 09:24:54 am »
Topic, please.
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #72 on: June 15, 2011, 03:55:24 pm »
We accept you, one of us! We accept you, one of us!
Ooble gobble, ooble gobble, we accept you, one of us!

(It's a reference to the 1930's film, Freaks, which I BADLY NEED TO SEE WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME, my favourite person in the world is Joseph Merrick and Lon Chaney is my idol, but I haven't seen this movie, WTF.)

well no, like I got the reference ^^;
I just didn't understand why Boomer was making it; he posted the image in reference to the phrase "the rest of us" in my post, when what he was quoting happened to be a quote of his own post where is was referring to "the rest of" the people who view Otaku as freaks..

So he was either agreeing with me (unlikely), or dismissing me offhand by just posting a picture to call me and the rest of Otaku freaks.

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #73 on: June 15, 2011, 05:33:26 pm »
As Jinnie requested, let's keep discussion in this thread to the topic "What otaku means to you", not Boomer and that image (which didn't really contribute to the discussion).

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #74 on: June 16, 2011, 10:29:47 pm »
Well I thought we were having a discussion but then Boomer decided to outright insult me instead of continue, so oh well.

Does anyone else have any input or have we debated it to death? What does being an otaku or an anime fan mean to you personally?

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #75 on: June 17, 2011, 01:49:54 pm »
I think it's been debated to death personally. Those of us that don't define our lives by anime believe that it has negative connotations, and those of us that do define their lives by anime wish to wear it as a twisted badge of honor, and neither side is willing to see things differently.

Whatever, I'm personally over it. Don't expect me to associate myself with the word.
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« Reply #76 on: June 17, 2011, 09:30:56 pm »
I do agree, but I'm in 100% agreement with the writers of Mechademia on the terms of Otaku...its more of a concept of fandom and that's about it, at least in my personal opinion
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2011, 11:57:06 am »
for me, "otaku", as far as being used here in the states is just a word to differentiate what type of geek you are...."otaku" says "i'm into anime/manga/possibly gaming" just like  "trekkie" says "i'm into star trek". and while a number of us know everything the word "otaku" connotates in japan, not everyone here knows that, or simply doesn't care after they do learn. it's a word that's now widespread in the western world, so it's not worth worrying about.

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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2011, 05:27:37 pm »
I would not call myself an otaku. I thoroughly enjoy anime and the Japanese culture but I'm not obsessive over and or completely absorbed in it. I have many things in my life that I thoroughly enjoy and anime is just another one of them. If I had to label myself something related to anime I'd call myself an anime fan, but definitely not an otaku.
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Re: What otaku means to YOU.
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2011, 07:54:24 pm »
I hate the term "otaku"-I like anime-but I still have a life.