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North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« on: April 15, 2011, 12:29:43 pm »
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-04-15/tokyopop-to-close-north-american-publishing-division

waiting to see what NA kodansha does. hopefully, the licenses will move?

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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2011, 01:23:44 am »
"The company's film and European operations will be unaffected by this closure, and its office in Hamburg, Germany will continue to handle global rights sales for the company"

Lame....no manga in US
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2011, 05:30:49 pm »
There's no way that they're going to cancel that much manga here in the US. Also, I'm not sure I understood the reason behind this. Tokyopop has licensed some of the most popular Manga available here, and, as far as I know, people still buy manga. In fact, I've seen more manga than usual lately at bookstores, libraries, etc.

So I guess Rini's right and we just hope the licenses get pinned on another North American publisher.
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2011, 07:10:11 pm »
This has to do with the Borders investment....since they put a lot of stock into Borders when filed for bankruptcy Tokyopop just couldn't keep the idea of moving forward...for a while it would seem like Tokyopop would have gone out of buisness, but you never know, maybe a few people from Tokyopop will open up their own company, and get some of these licenses back.   I am hoping that Yen Press and maybe Seven Seas will pick up a few of the titles
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2011, 08:04:32 pm »
I like to think that it's divine retribution for that America's Greatest Otaku fiasco.  *shot for terrible joke*

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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2011, 08:44:44 pm »
I like to think that it's divine retribution for that America's Greatest Otaku fiasco.  *shot for terrible joke*

Zing.

This has to do with the Borders investment....since they put a lot of stock into Borders when filed for bankruptcy Tokyopop just couldn't keep the idea of moving forward...for a while it would seem like Tokyopop would have gone out of buisness, but you never know, maybe a few people from Tokyopop will open up their own company, and get some of these licenses back.   I am hoping that Yen Press and maybe Seven Seas will pick up a few of the titles

Oh, wow I didn't know about the Border's thing. It's just strange because, as far as manga goes, I've always looked at them as a publishing giant comparable to Jump.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they had a TON of mangas licensed, did they not? It's hard to believe that it will suddenly all (or most, if other publishers pick up some of the more popular series) be unavailable....
Well maybe some of my manga will be rare and expensive some day for having the Tokyopop label on it or something Haha XD.
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2011, 08:56:23 pm »

Oh, wow I didn't know about the Border's thing. It's just strange because, as far as manga goes, I've always looked at them as a publishing giant comparable to Jump.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they had a TON of mangas licensed, did they not? It's hard to believe that it will suddenly all (or most, if other publishers pick up some of the more popular series) be unavailable....
Well maybe some of my manga will be rare and expensive some day for having the Tokyopop label on it or something Haha XD.

lmfao well hopefully if their film distribution does well they might reopen their manga in the U.S. so everyone go out and support Tokyopop Films...^_^ (But that is wishful thinking)
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2011, 09:33:07 pm »
I fear Manga is going through what the american comics when their bubble pop.

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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2011, 12:04:20 am »
There's no way that they're going to cancel that much manga here in the US. Also, I'm not sure I understood the reason behind this. Tokyopop has licensed some of the most popular Manga available here, and, as far as I know, people still buy manga. In fact, I've seen more manga than usual lately at bookstores, libraries, etc.

First example is Geneon. They had titles like Trigun and Hellsing and they still went out of business. Second example is Raijin... ok, maybe not so much, but still... it is very possible they will stop publishing and leave hundreds of titles in a lurch.

This has to do with the Borders investment....since they put a lot of stock into Borders when filed for bankruptcy Tokyopop just couldn't keep the idea of moving forward...

That can sum it up, because it happened before, and it could be a domino effect. If my information was correct, Geneon went out of business in the US partly because of the MediaPlay/Suncoast company going out of business, because that company owed Geneon a lot of money in unpaid invoices. Geneon USA going out of business led to the loss of a major advertiser for Newtype USA, which caused it to attempt to change to PiQ to attract more advertising revenue... which killed it. And I'm sure that didn't help ADV Films.

So keep an eye on this...
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2011, 05:53:39 am »
TokyoPop was a dying company for a while anyways. Their titles started out pretty awesome and helped bring a lot of manga over here, but for the last few years they've been rather....meh :/  I can't think of any Tokyopop title I still read at all! It's mostly been Viz making me happy these days. Maybe Viz can pick up the licenses for the titles that matter and scrap the horrible ones ^^

I like to think that it's divine retribution for that America's Greatest Otaku fiasco.  *shot for terrible joke*

yeah what the hell :/
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2011, 10:38:46 am »
TokyoPop was a dying company for a while anyways.

true, dat. stu levy is not exactly known for his business acumen and brilliance *cough* greatest american otaku *cough*. many in the industry are blaming him for the downfall of TP, because of his poor management. i mean, c'mon, they have the major cash cow _fruits basket_. that's like funimation going under with DBZ. it just shouldn't have happened.

anyway, all of the kodansha licenses have already reverted back to kodansha. personally, i have great hopes for kodansha NA. and, yen press is really starting to crank up.

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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2011, 10:52:36 pm »
Maybe Viz can pick up the licenses for the titles that matter and scrap the horrible ones ^^

One can only hope.


I guess this wasn't as big a deal as I initially thought it was XD. Still kind of a shame though, I suppose they had a good run. I guess we just wait and see what the future holds for the manga readers of the US.

That was really cheesy..... Oh well ^^;
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2011, 01:17:52 pm »
Maybe Viz can pick up the licenses for the titles that matter and scrap the horrible ones ^^

VIZ isn't going to pick up the series, because they only really work with Shueisha, and Shogakugan series...

According to the people over at ANN in the recent ANNCast (here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/anncast/2011-04-22)

They feel it was Stu just getting bored with the company, and closed it. Which is kind of a mean move but very logical since he is using Tokyopop's film side to fund his documentary on Japan.  Honestly, what throws people more than tokyopop closing is the fact that Tokyopop was trying to revive itself.  With a new website design, and licenses that were never got released or finished here in the states, as well as a new distributor it does seem like either the Borders theory or the Stu theory are both very possible.
The ANNCast does make a valid point though, give it a few years, and people won't ever know about Tokyopop's existence.  Just because one company closes it's doors, doesn't mean that we, as americans have no manga companies left. Believe it or not we still have quite a few manga publishing companies left.  (one of the speakers says 15 manga companies are still around).
Though in all fairness Tokyopop did license stuff that most companies wouldn't touch.  They were unique and no one is going to be exactly like them.
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2011, 09:06:43 pm »
So what well happen of Ikki tousen manga then.
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2011, 09:17:49 pm »
So what well happen of Ikki tousen manga then.

Well that is undecided right now...since they haven't closed their doors yet, since I think it was one of their better selling odd titles, Yen Press might license rescue it....but I wouldn't get my hopes up for anything yet
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2011, 12:36:44 am »
>_> ~sigh~, well I guess such is the business world.  I did not know borders was going out of business... oh well at least I like Barnes and Noble still.

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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2011, 06:05:56 pm »
I don't think they're totally going out of business, just that they closed a large handful of stores after declaring bankruptcy.
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2011, 06:19:18 pm »
I don't think they're totally going out of business, just that they closed a large handful of stores after declaring bankruptcy.

This.  From what I understand, the stores what are doing well will stay open, just with shorter hours. Least for now.

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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2011, 09:25:50 pm »
This.  From what I understand, the stores what are doing well will stay open, just with shorter hours. Least for now.

Yeah, because the type of bankruptcy that they declared left them with a chance to make back the money that they owed, we might see a borders resurgence in the up coming years, but not in the immediate future.  But because of Borders declaring bankruptcy they out standing loans that they had with Tokyopop weren't getting paid, and probably wouldn't be for a while, and Tokyopop couldn't keep their heads up anymore.  So they closed. 

That is if you believe the Borders theory
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Re: North American Tokyo Pop CLOSING!
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2011, 10:38:09 pm »
So I 'm going to put in my two pennys worth. I once worked for the Border's company at a Waldenbooks. Border's has been going down this path of doom for over 7 years, they first closed all of their Waldenbooks and Border's Expresses to try to cover their losses which didn't work so they ended up filing bankruptcy at the beginning of this year and will be closing over 250 Border's nation wide. Now many will have a hay day of a debate of why thus happened, but that's not what this thread is about so I am getting to the point.

In the very first press release of Tokoyopop closing the vice-president of Tokyopop stated to ANN that it was because of the Border's bankruptcy, which in all honesty I feel is complete and total bunk. My thought is more towards the failing of Mr. Levy and him losing interest. The first clue to this is that as long as Tokyopop was going strong they had been selling their manga and merchandise on their website and amazon.com. Since that is where most people buy their things anymore, they shouldn't have such a huge "hit" against them because of the closing of Border's.

So the question is why did it falter? I feel it is because Mr. Levy lost interest, it would make it harder for him to fight and help a company that he didn't want anymore. The wise choice would have been to sell the company to some one that has the passion and ambition to help it get strong again. The other reason I think that it faltered is the poor choices that the company was guilty of, point in case would how they handled the artist, mangas and series. As a long time bookseller for Waldenbooks, I can tell you it "felt" like Tokyopop lost it's "spirit" a couple of years ago and what we are seeing now are just the spasms of the dying company.

Years ago when Tokyopop first came out they were full of ideas and passion for the anime and manga community like offering the Rising manga Artist contest and finding series people wouldn't normally look at. It was fun and exciting to see what they would do next. But after awhile they just stopped trying, they stopped contests within the artist community and a lot of their cool promotional stuff including just the popout standees that carried the manga in bookstores were no longer made. It's kinda sad but since I felt that it was happening anyways, I just wish they would let us know about their series and not let the fans down. It has felt that all of the things that they have been trying to "fix" was just another way to try to revive their economy not their fan base. Thus came out the sad promotional stunt "America's Greatest Otaku" It had a good idea at the base but instead totally missed the point and made a fool out of all involved. I feel that instead of the campy promotional stunts and letting fans down, they should have worked hard to re-establish their fans faith in them. They should have taken better care of the artist and continue series instead of letting series go and constantly promising things and falling through. That's why a lot of YenPlus' artist are former Tokyopop artist. Sveltlana Chmakova is an example of this.

It is sad to say, but farewell Tokyopop. You were good as founding father of manga in America but you no longer are here to help, but are now just a hinder. Rest in Peace and let out of your ashes grow a magnificent phoenix that will carry away your series to the hands of their loyal fans.
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