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Dubstep for the Dance?
« on: March 08, 2011, 09:00:42 pm »
I have been getting more and more into Dubstep.   Especially if its down tempo.   Was wondering if anyone would be adverse to the idea of have like 30 min to hour at the end of the Sat night rave and have a Dubstep set?


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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 02:05:25 pm »
I could go for like 30 min or so of some dubstep.
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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2011, 06:45:23 pm »
yes Dubstep plz!!
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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 11:12:02 am »
Would the sound system at NDK be good enough to do dubstep justice? If so, go for it. Great style of music and very easy to dance to. Though I would say give it a little more than the last half hour.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2011, 10:20:21 am »
I would say give it a little more than the last half hour.

I reluctant to give it more then that currently since I am unsure if the majority of dance goers would enjoy it.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2011, 02:39:02 pm »
That's understandable. I love the idea of having some dubstep played, though, so you have my vote to go for it

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2011, 10:01:40 pm »
I can say +1 for the dubstep. I think that a half hour is enough to feel it out and give it a shot.
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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 10:14:04 pm »
Hmmm I honestly don't think the sound setup that NDK supplies for the rave could even handle it. At Technosabi, the rave at animeland wasabi this year, they brought in a massive 6 part sound system to be able to get the best sound possible for when they had DJ Soleil come in and DJ her dubstep set. You can't listen to bass heavy music without having bassheavy speakers xD

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 11:05:45 pm »
Just. No.
Half hour at the very max.
Especially with what you linked. Super slow, trance-like dubstep? I can see you using it at very low moments right after you hit the climax with the music and you're starting to build it back up again. But for a whole long set? Gosh, no.
It's not even dance-able.

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At Technosabi, the rave at animeland wasabi this year, they brought in a massive 6 part sound system to be able to get the best sound possible for when they had DJ Soleil come in and DJ her dubstep set. You can't listen to bass heavy music without having bassheavy speakers xD
Also, this. But she also did dubstep with a VERY heavy bass. (Maybe that's why I liked it so much...) But what you posted really was very...boring. And lacked much bass. So if you decide to go the bass route, the above would indeed be an issue.

And half of me feels that it would be a bad idea not because dubstep isn't so great (don't get me wrong, I've heard it wonderfully. DJ Soleil at Wasabi was the first person who I had ever heard made dubstep more dance-able and fun to listen to,) but because I just don't think you as a DJ could make it super good. Especially if you're practicing off of similar sounds to what you posted.

I'd say, if you're REALLY dying to try dubstep music, don't make a full set of it that will take up a long time. If you do so, make it short. Otherwise, it's fine in minimal doses throughout the night, mixed into other tracks.

But I'm not going to be amused and I certainly won't be expecting much out of you mixing it. :\

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2011, 11:14:10 pm »
Incoming rant, I despise dubstep. Long story short, imo dubstep is ruining electronica and I hate it. Stick to trance/house/j-core/happy hardcore


Please for the love of god no. Dubstep is the worst genre ever to exist now. After I found out Deadmau5 started doing it I lost so much respect for him. Dubstep to me, is this, "I'm gonna take a pretty solid beat, than I'm just gonna mess up everything for about 20 seconds, and go back to the good beat". To me it's not even music of any sort, it's just static in the middle of a song that ruins the song overall. Stick to trance/house/j-core/happy hardcore/club but not the awfulness the is dubstep. /endrant

Edit: Listening the that Paranoid song, it isn't bad but when the first bass hits it doesn't even seem dubstep to me...it's just another bass line mixed into the beat, but once he starts doing more of it that I'm familiar with it makes me hate it.
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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 11:22:37 pm »
Sounds like you just haven't heard any GOOD dubstep shmoopy. With all genres there is good and bad >.< I used to hate dubstep as well until i found certain artists i liked xD

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2011, 11:41:07 pm »
Yeah, there's a LOT of crappy dubstep out there. Going by what DJ linked I'm trusting that he'll stick to the good end of dubstep. I quite enjoy Deadmau5' 4x4=12 album in which he does quite a bit of dubstep, but it's a LOT better than a lot of the dubstep out there.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2011, 03:14:25 am »
I know it's all about Djs, but I spent one night (roughly 5 hours) strictly listening to "dubstep" couldn't find anything. Whenever the "wamp' noises start I rage. Other than that the good dubstep songs aren't even dubstep...It's just like a more mellow dnb or something, their just making up (removed) now and getting dumb little kids to be dumber. And I know I'm being an ignorant douche when it comes to this but I just despise it so very much. And I am extremely disappointed in deadmau5 for making dubstep, though like that matters. Again this is my opinion and I will rant nonstop against dubstep. Especially it having the possibility of being played at something awesome like NDK. Why don't we stick to j-core/happy hardcore/house? Than again thats my assumption of a general overall genre breakdown anime fans would enjoy.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2011, 10:44:51 am »
Trust me Schmoopy.   I have heard PLENTY of those dubstep songs that do what you have explained where the song and bass just "Wub Wub" every so often.   That is not what I like.    Its not what anyone should like.      When I play music for you guys I make sure its things that I would like to listen to as well.


Just. No.
Half hour at the very max.
Especially with what you linked. Super slow, trance-like dubstep? I can see you using it at very low moments right after you hit the climax with the music and you're starting to build it back up again. But for a whole long set? Gosh, no.
It's not even dance-able.

Not dance-able?   You are not trying hard enough.

I'd say, if you're REALLY dying to try dubstep music, don't make a full set of it that will take up a long time. If you do so, make it short. Otherwise, it's fine in minimal doses throughout the night, mixed into other tracks.

But I'm not going to be amused and I certainly won't be expecting much out of you mixing it. :\

This just sounds smug.     Sounds like you are challenging me to "wow" you.    Challenge Accepted.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2011, 12:27:05 pm »
... Why don't we stick to j-core/happy hardcore/house? Than again thats my assumption of a general overall genre breakdown anime fans would enjoy....

Totally agree. But I remember asking for some J-core last year and they kind of...didn't do it. I guess its not DJ bullock's style?

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2011, 01:09:13 pm »
Not dance-able?   You are not trying hard enough.
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This just sounds smug.     Sounds like you are challenging me to "wow" you.    Challenge Accepted.

I meant keep-the-hype-up-and-the-excitement dance-able. Not dubstep dance-able. The style of dubstep that it seems like you're keen on playing is going to be slow, boring, dubstep. I don't really know how else to word it without excessively repeating myself or contradicting myself. But it's extremely slow. There's very little in the actual break-down. Very few beats that just happened to be well-timed with slow music to match.
I'm not against [slow] dubstep. But what it seems like you plan on playing is simply not rave-like material in sense that I think you should be aiming for. I thought, as an anime convention rave DJ, it was your job to bring extreme hype to the crowd. Get them pumped up and excited.
I feel like what you're planning on playing with this dubstep will do the opposite, catering only towards the few that enjoy only[/mostly] dubstep and know [only] how to dance really very... quietly, for lack of a better word, to it.


And yes, don't take it the wrong way, but I am expecting you to "wow" me. Good DJs are supposed to do that. If they weren't amazing, they wouldn't be on stage. They'd be in the rest of the crowd, while someone else was up on stage spinning. To be honest, I'm still waiting to be "wow"d by you in any genre of music. I'm not looking for "Wow! This is the BEST DJ I've EVER heard! I never want to listen to anyone else!" but I'm tired of walking out early thinking, "Wow, that... could have gone better. He should/could have done this, and this, and this, etc..."

I understand that many others think you're really the best person ever to be DJing at NDK. And I realize that it's relative; most of them probably haven't been out to hear many other DJs live, etc.
But I just think there's a lot you can improve on. You're not bad. But you've got a lot to improve on. Because the people mentioned above are not the only people you're playing music for.

And back to dubstep, that's kind of where I pull in my opinion with Schmoopy's: there is just SO MUCH bad dubstep out there. SO much. There seems to be no end as to how bad someone can make dubstep sound. And as  I've always found your DJing somewhat lacking, I'm just not sure if I'd want you up there trying to play dubstep if there is SO MUCH that can go WRONG with it. Not you. The music.

So. Yes. I am challenging you to "wow" me. But I'd preffered to be wow'd with other genres of music before I can believe that you'd be able to wow me with dubstep. It's a hard genre to conquer.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2011, 03:22:21 pm »
After this i'm staying out of this thread. I've listend to several hours and probably over 100 dubstep dj's just to understand it. and I still don't. that's one reason why I'm so ignorant about accepting dubstep. No genre should be treated like dubstep is. In that I mean, no matter who i have talked to that enjoys it they always say "95% of it is bad" or "there is SO much bad dubstep". Can you really say that about another genre? in my experience the other E.D.M genres have never had to deal with the bad out weighing the good.

Again, for something like an anime convention I'd look forward to happy hardcore, j-core, trance, vocal trance, and maybe some crazy cool awesome techno remixes of anime intros. and now I am out.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2011, 03:32:25 pm »
No dubstep.  I just think it's plain bad techno.

Also, this IS an anime convention.  J-core would be a welcome addition to the rave.
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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2011, 03:53:11 pm »
No dubstep, raves are for trance/techno/happy hardcore/j-pop/j-trance/etc.

i like dubstep, but only for a short while (if played in a club/"rave"), if left for longer than 10 minutes, it just gets annoying in a way.

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Re: Dubstep for the Dance?
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2011, 05:27:02 pm »
I am not saying any of this to pick a fight...

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And as  I've always found your DJing somewhat lacking, I'm just not sure if I'd want you up there trying to play dubstep if there is SO MUCH that can go WRONG with it. Not you. The music.

I would say that as the DJ he has the right to choose whatever he wants to play - the fact that he is interested in hearing people's opinions is not the "Ok-To-Go" to speak to his strengths or weaknesses.

More to the point do you even know what you're talking about here?
You beautifully contradict yourself in one sentence!
Even if you have found what you said to be the case - how could you possibly know that this sort of mix might not just be his forte?

**My two cents worth: Dubstep has the potential to be AMAZING as well as only so-so.

Having said that, give ALL the DJs the benefit of the doubt - keep an open mind - relax, and have fun!!!


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