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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #60 on: December 17, 2011, 06:00:46 pm »
I'm not sure where you would have seen a drinkable potion bottle, but no one in AA is allowed to sell any kind of food or drink, its against the rules. I know some who have sold "potions" before that where basically colored water in a clear bottle that was sealed so it couldn't be opened.

And I'm also not sure about the $20 book marks, the most I've seen people sell them for is around $5, I know many artists sell their prints for $20 but not bookmarks. Also in all fairness AA has no control over the prices its artists sell their wares at, that is decided by the artists themselves, and many change their prices some, to either get rid of stock Sunday afternoon or because something is not selling at the originally listed price. It's an ever changing guessing game to figure out what will sell well at each NDK. ^_^

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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #61 on: December 17, 2011, 08:52:19 pm »
The "potion" had broken taps so they could not be opened. Maybe it was not ment to be a book mark but was the same size as one. 

I did say "I know ndk is not in charge of prices" that was more for the artists.

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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2012, 11:55:53 pm »
Were they custom/commission bookmarks or ACEO's, or originals maybe? If they weren't then I have no idea how that table sold anything unless the artwork was freakin' amazing. On the other hand, original or custom art can run pretty high depending on the artist.

Also you say these things 'always' turn you away; have you seen this kind of thing more than once at ndk? I've never seen such high prices for print run pieces, bookmarks at least O_o

Don't let high prices at one table turn you away from the AA, there's a lot of great variety in a good range of prices. Also if you have any issues with artists or products in the AA Yuki is pretty much always there. You can ask any table which one is the Artist Alley Head/Liaison if you can't find her table, we all have to check in with her.

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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #63 on: January 18, 2012, 09:36:02 pm »
Just read this (the above few comments) and I wonder if the $20 "book mark" was on my table? I do sell original ACEOs at my table for that price. They measure 2.5"x3.5" and are one of a kind. I don't make prints of those ACEOs. They were also sitting very near my bookmarks which are $4 singly. So if was at my table, I'm sorry for the confusion. I'm still, to this day, trying to figure out good signage for my table. ^_^;. 

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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2012, 06:28:55 pm »
Just read this (the above few comments) and I wonder if the $20 "book mark" was on my table? I do sell original ACEOs at my table for that price. They measure 2.5"x3.5" and are one of a kind. I don't make prints of those ACEOs. They were also sitting very near my bookmarks which are $4 singly. So if was at my table, I'm sorry for the confusion. I'm still, to this day, trying to figure out good signage for my table. ^_^;. 

yeah your table was what came to mind when I read that too, but those aren't bookmarks. They're not even normal ACEO's lol they're fantastic ooak originals! I'm kinda frustrated that this thread is turning into complaints from people who aren't in or haven't visited artist alley (or looked very closely). But I'm also in a bad mood right now so maybe I shouldn't post comments while I am. . .

But, at the risk of sounding boastful, defensive, or entitled:

People! Take some time to look at artists wares and think about how much or little work went into them! How long it must have taken to create a complex and original piece, or how long it took the artist to develop the skills required to do something quickly! Talk to the artists! If you have a question about somethings origin or its pricing you can ask! Most artists love feedback and constructive criticism.

Artist Alley isn't just something to walk through on your way to main events, it can be an event in and of itself! Set aside some time in your con schedule to really take a look and appreciate what the artists do! Please!


Ok something more related to the thread, that just popped into my head due to these last few comments:

Would it be possible to have a map of AA available for the public? possibly as a handout (you could maybe include one with the convention schedules and program book) but if not a handout then maybe a posting at the entrance or something. Kinda like a mall directory; You could organize the tables by their category and then each table could list three to five keywords of things that they do (prints, bags, fleece hats, etc.) or things that make them stand out (zombie portraits, original ACEO's, doujinshi, etc.) The tables already have assigned numbers.

It would also be good to have a recommendation on there that says to check out all the tables and that table keywords on the posting may not reflect actual wares, but that way people looking for a certain thing like say buttons or whatnot could get a general idea of where to look instead of being overwhelmed and giving up instead of finding what they wanted. The directed traffic flow from last year I think would promote browsing anyway as they make their way to their table of interest.

If you did a handout and there's room, maybe on the back, you could print the artist introductions/descriptions that many send in with their applications? Having a handout might also help people find artists after the convention. Instead of posting "I bought this thing at such and such table, what were they called?" in the forums (granted the website has all the introductions and stuff anyway) they could look at their map thingy and say "oh it was the one all the way next to the exit on this side, I wonder if they have contact info on the back.."

I know it's another thing to organize, and that the table layout is organized pretty close to the con, but I think it would be really useful as artist promotion at the con as well as maybe curbing some customer confusion. I know you'd have to make it absolutely clear that artists would still need to check in before setup, so maybe you could post the map/directory AFTER everyone's checked in, or have a notice for latecomers on the map itself for artists to check in before setting up.

I appreciate that AA artists get a listing in the program guide, but I'd love if AA could get a little more promotion at the con as a destination itself and not just something to walk through on the way to something else.
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Re: Things you would like to see changed in AA for NDK 2012
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2012, 02:29:09 am »
Handouts wouldn’t work for AA but a mall like directory poster at both entrances might be possible, changes are made up until right before the con in some cases so a detailed map couldn’t be posted in the program unfortunately.

Also segmenting all areas into only Art here, Craft there, and Mixed over there wouldn’t work. Mixing up the types all over gives more variety, otherwise some people might just skip an area entirely. There’s also the special requests of the artists to consider, if we limited a section only to one type it would make it near impossible to fill most of the requests, especially when groups of different kinds request being set up near their friends.

I may be able to figure something with key words going next to a business name and number on a directory but not the descriptions, some groups don’t always say if they dropped a product or not, I’ll have to come up with ideas about that. The list of artist groups are posted on the main site in their own section awhile before the con and at least several months after so people can still look them up if they don’t have a business card to use, and the contest pictures can help with remembering who was who and sold what.

It’s mentioned several times in the rules and AA page that artists must check in before setting up, not doing so could land them in a whole pile of trouble, putting the map up late Friday would be a good way to avoid most of that trouble.

These are good ideas, but I am going to lock this thread and create a new one for ideas on how to better promote and navigate AA for the attendees.

The new rules and FAQ page is up, except for the date changes there are very few changes from last year.
http://ndkdenver.org/forum/index.php/topic,6721.0.html