Author Topic: Scanlations and Banishment!! (Read 4045 times)

Kyuubi.is.a.frog · « **on:** July 27, 2010, 12:28:29 am »

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/43437-japanese-u-s-manga-publishers-unite-to-fight-scanlations.html

So, if anyone reads Scanlations on websites like OneManga or Mangafox, you may have heard about how they are being shut down by publishing companies. As NDK is devoted to Anime and Manga, a number of people have read or participated in scalations who visit the forums, and I wanna know what people think about this developement in the world of online manga.

Please no fighting, or opinion bashing. Healthy debate only!

OverlordLaharl79 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2010, 01:50:45 am »

I personally think shutting down sites that do this is wrong; a lot of manga that wouldn't be read here in the States is being read, and might spark interest in being published(like Midori Days or the missing chapters of Jojo's Bizarre Adventures). I also like it because sometimes you get an interesting piece of dialogue that you wouldn't get in some of the "paper" manga(it's not really hurting anyone, and it's garnering more interest in a particular series, especially if that series is out of print).

I also wanted to say that if it weren't for bit torrent, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya wouldn't have been released in the states, so shutting down sites just so the anime companies can hawk their overpriced stuff is wrong.

toadstoolssecretluvchild · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2010, 04:02:15 am »

Quote from: Kyuubi.is.a.frog on July 27, 2010, 12:28:29 am

...Please no fighting, or opinion bashing. Healthy debate only!

Well I think broccoli really needs to go away and furthermore, .....oh I see what you mean now

Anywho! Yeah, sure sites such as onemanga may bring in other people into the world of anime/ manga. However, the majority of people who visit sites like onemanga go there because they dont wanna purchase books at all. Few will, but not many I would presume, and that leads to less money going back to the companies that made the story to begin with. It's not just about getting people into the genre we love, some people forget that anime/manga is a business world and operates as such. I've never seen a business world so over-wrought with people who love the product, but for some reason some just dont wanna buy the products, then get upset when things like this happen which may force them to purchase the goods - like its so out of the question :/ I myself read Bleach manga's and I started to read teh scans about 3 months ago, maybe, and if they wanna shut down sites that provide scans then I'll just get the books when and if they come out. Its pretty much the way its suppose to be. I respect them for going after the sites, its their product and their money that's being lost. Pretty much if they keep losing out, then books would just cease right? Would you continue to write a story if I went to your house and just snatched each chapter out of your hand week after week, probably not. You'd probably wanna kill me.

rini · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2010, 09:38:03 am »

interestingly, i found out that the scanlation aggregator sites like onemanga are run by triads and other mafia organisations. they go and pull scanlations from small groups, take out the credits for who did the translations, and put them up on the aggregators.

that being besides the point, i'd like to say 2 things: 1) learn japanese if you want to read manga. no one owes you a translation, and 2) most scanlation groups, like most fansub groups, pull their scanlations once something gets licensed in the US. from what i've seen, they're going after the big aggregator sites, not the actual groups.

what the japanese and american companies really need to look into is digital distribution, and being able to read on e-readers, with concurrent (or at least close to) publication, much like viz is doing with rin-ne.

however, there are ppl out there that just want what they want for free. they feel entitled to it, and won't ever pay for it. shutting down scanlations, or pirate bay, or any other bootleg/piracy sites changes nothing in how they behave.

my final word: about bloody time. don't know why it took so long.

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Alitain · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2010, 10:29:31 am »

I'm with Rini, about time it was done everyone has been watching the steady decline of the anime/manga industry for the last several years and its good they're trying to crack down on this sort of thing. I mean sure I admit I've watched pirated anime, Naruto actually when it first came out in the US, a couple girls I worked with were narutards(in the nicest way possible), and gave be a couple DVDs with all the episodes up to the filler seasons. I've never bought pirated anime/manga myself, but I have enjoyed the benefits though it was only that time.

So I can understand how nice it is to be able to go online and read manga that isn't out here but yeah, what we really need is a revival of the anime/manga industry and I think this will at least help the issue.

Jello · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2010, 10:32:24 am »

Worst decision for the companies ever. Even though most people who read scans online are long-time readers, there are still some who go on and read to know what's worth buying and what's not. With that gone, they might not buy anymore.
And with what Yen Press is doing, their online "manga site" will only have two months worth of chapters, no archive. So if one subscribes, they had better be where the magazine is or it's a huge waste of money. Plus if you do subscribe, they will automatically renew the subscription for you whether you want them to or not.

Feels bad man

starstreaker · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2010, 11:59:40 am »

I can see both sides of this. One the one hand, these sites helped me to find, and later buy, two great manga series. At the same time though, there are several more that I enjoy reading and had no intention whatsoever of going out and buying. Now that the sites are going away, I'm reconsidering about buying them.

What would be great to see is a manga with the first chapters of several series in it as a way to decide if I'd want to persue them or not. This could be very useful to the manga publishers as well since they could have the first chapters of multiple manga transalated, judge the U.S. interest, and release new series to the States based on that.

Alitain · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2010, 12:26:27 pm »

Starstreaker-
I'm in agreement, having samples is fine like how Newtype use to give demo DVDs with the first episode of a series. Thats how I got into so many of my series at the time, was because of Newtype. So yeah samples are a good idea, and show be where the manga companies go. Same as how you can watch episodes on Funimation if you want, it wouldn't be hard to have the first couple chapters of a manga online to see if you enjoy it.

rini · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2010, 12:34:33 pm »

that's what made me so sad when shojo beat was discontinued =(

but, the magazine wasn't selling. maybe they can start putting up the first couple chapters online.

The Ronin · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2010, 12:50:22 pm »

It's a tough call for me, I like reading scanlations for things that haven't made it over here. I'm the type of person that will read a scanlation or watch a fansub for stuff that hasn't made it to the US market and then go buy it the moment it's released in a proper publisher translation. I must have watched the fansub for Advent Children 20 times before it was released here and I still went out and bought my copy on release day. I watched fansubs and read scanlations of Initial D before they released them here and now I have 14 dvd's and 26 manga volumes that were all purchased new at retail. If they'd ever bother to release Wangan Midnight I'd be all over that like a rat on a cheeto.

Now if what rini says is true and the major scanlation sites were mafia/triad/yakuza run then they should be shut down.

toadstoolssecretluvchild · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2010, 03:42:20 pm »

But like I said. not everyone was just sampling those books, obviously :/ but made it their enitre manga library. Its not really that tough of a call to me. There's nothing stopping someone from going to a bookstore looking thru a book, thats what people do now and have been doing since the dawn of the mighty antelope. This is the way its suppose to be ya'know. Most people who buy books base a book on what they read on the back, a quick look though the pages, whatever description they hear from someone else and/or other means. Its like it was said earlier, some people refuse to pay for anything and wont ever change, not no way not no how, thank gawd for us that do though. Its obvious this was a problem for a while now with publishers, so why act like now that they wanna do away with those sites like onemanga we should feel obligated to get it free and shame on them for making it happen. We should feel lucky it went on this long :/

You can still go to ShojoBeat website, which I do, and still get a detailed discription of whatever series they're running. From that I can make a decision. That how I started reading Honey Hunt aka the SkipBeat knockoff

Had this probably happened earlier in life, we'd still get our Airgear and TenjoTenge books, but they were cancelled off a while ago, and now I rage everyday .

The Ronin · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2010, 04:39:44 pm »

Quote from: toadstoolssecretluvchild on July 27, 2010, 03:42:20 pm

Its like it was said earlier, some people refuse to pay for anything and wont ever change, not no way not no how, thank gawd for us that do though.

Very, very true.

theMulti-Facets · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2010, 12:27:29 am »

I agree, it's the publishers' rights to put a stop to scanlations, but at the same time, please for the love of the gods tell me mangafox.com isn't really going down! It has so many manga that aren't licensed in the States, old and sometimes obscure manga that probably can't be found anywhere else, and stuff that isn't being produced any more, like "Chirality", "Justy Issue", "Devilman", "Sailor Moon", and more. I would buy so much of the stuff if it were being reproduced in the States, but they're not!

It makes me a sad wolfy.

Daft Punk · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2010, 01:10:26 am »

Man......Well the publishers do have every right to shut them down and I am ok with that....but I enjoy being able to just read what ever manga I feel like reading with just a click. I mean Half the Manga I read on there you can hardly fine anywhere. I go to Barnes and they have a nice selection but......they mainly carry the main stream stuff...Bleach, Naruto, Inuyasha......and I am not saying I hate those or anything, I just like the kind of under wraps stuff that not a whole lot of people know about like Gantz.

toadstoolssecretluvchild · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2010, 03:55:58 am »

they're branching out... or at least are trying too. I think they realize that some titles you just gotta take a gamble on. They brought over Deadman Wonderland at Borders, never thought that would happen and its fairly good too if you like bloody psycho stuff . And tons of people know of the Gantz. If fairly popular too. Not as talked about as Naruto or Bleach but those kids know what it is all the same

Daft Punk · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2010, 12:29:54 pm »

You know about it, almost everyone I know has never heard of it.

Jello · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2010, 06:15:06 pm »

Borders almost always has Gantz available, but it's shrink wrapped so you can't read it in store.

OtakuHockeyGirl · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2010, 07:59:31 pm »

I think it's up to the creator of the manga. If they don't want their work online, it does belong to them. I don't like it AT ALL though. But also, I'm sure those kind of sites don't help the artists profits. I would rather they make it more difficult to read then not continue the series or something horrible like that. XP

Daft Punk · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2010, 10:09:54 pm »

Ok jeez, stop flaming me about Gantz.....I liked it way back when it was being scanned online ORIGINALLY!!! that is what I was referring to...chill out stop attacking me about it.

Jello · « **Reply #19 on:** August 08, 2010, 12:21:22 am »

The problem with forums is you can't tell tone. :/

I wasn't flaming you, what I was initially going at was kind of like marketing for Borders since I prefer them over Barnes and Nobles. :v

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Author Topic: Scanlations and Banishment!! (Read 4045 times)