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Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« on: February 28, 2010, 12:02:18 am »
Because this has been a big issue with this year with the change from first come, first serve midnight rush to a 2 week window or sign up and lottery, I would like to have any suggestions brought here.

Please note first-come, first-served will never return. If you have an idea on a way to change the lottery and sign up system to make it run even better next year please post it here. This is what the current system is:

Feb. 1 to Feb. 15 sign up

Lottery based on first groups of space type requested and then 2 chances for returning artists to get a spot in their group. No changing to a larger or smaller group to get more chances.

To get two tables, you’ll sign up for one, and have the option to fill out a description box giving the reason that you should have two, from there we will choose the tables that go to them, the applications picked will be places in a separate lottery for the spaces. New artists will not be able to sign up for two, this is because we would like them to start off as half or single tables.

We had a lot of applicants that applied with several different kinds of products. To ensure we know what is going to be sold we will be asking that images be provided for every kind of product along with their application.

Contracts go out May 15 and are due back by July 15. You have to be registered by May 15 to get a contract and if you miss either deadline, you lose your spot.

This year between application and contract a lot of people changed their business names, to keep this from happening as much next year we are working on a way to get you a copy back of your application once you’ve submitted it so you can have it for your records.


If you have ideas on how to improve this for 2011 then share them here. This is not an argument thread so please stay calm when sharing different views on what could improve things.
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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2010, 11:25:13 am »
I have one suggestion to add to the current system.

If it is possible, could the amount of applicants be listed after the end of the registration period. Some people said, and I felt the same, that they were worried because they were going in a lottery against hundreds of people, and in the end there were not even close to that many. People might feel better knowing what the odds are. You don't even have to list how many of each category, just in general.

Edit: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't notice that at all, even after reading that thread multiple times. Wow, I feel stupid.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2010, 01:24:42 pm by xieki »

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2010, 12:59:28 pm »
For those of you that were wondering, we recieved 89 applications this year for Artists Alley.

Please note that Yuki did in fact list the number of entrants the afternoon after registration closed for AA applications.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 03:58:03 pm »
Well...  Suggestions. 

First of all and I stand by this... We need a bigger venue hands down.  My partner was telling me about the 350 tables... 350.... at Fanime.  Granted thats a HUGE con in California... but we are getting way big now and having a place for all the people who actually want to be there... versus weeding out anyone who wanted one not getting one.  I know I know... but I feel bad when people don't get a table and I think people are just as worthy as all of us having a place to set up and sell what we do best. 

As far as what we got going... Maybe its time to expand areas or multiple spots for people selling?  It would open up more people to sell their work.  I hate to be a mean ass... but one table per pair or person.  I saw some people with a HUGE ass display and two tables.  yes they paid for it... but if they are that popular and big they shouldn't need it (or perhaps they need to be in the dealers room instead) and it can go to someone else who wants to sell their work too that may be new or coming back.  They could also have room behind them for displays to show case the same amount of work that extended to a table that could of been allotted to someone.  IM not trying to be mean... its just a suggestion.

I was really lucky to get a table at all this time around and I shared with a friend.  This was my first time too and I was able to figure things out for next year of what I need to do better and what I need to change.  I admit I wasn't the best thing out there... granted I was selling doll clothing commissions and doll accessories.  Not everyone has dolls (bjds) and many are scared to buy them.  I was able to inform people about dolls as well as hand out my business card to people interested in clothing.  I also had drawing commissions as well (since I am an artist too 2 dimensionally) while I was there that weekend.  I also displayed my graphic design work... which would thus offer to maybe even the artists there and those who came by who didnt have a table that maybe interested in getting work or help done. 

As far as a system for those who want a table... from taking the survey and seeing what possibilities are up for this year....

I think having people have the EXACT products to sell a good idea.  Only that can hinder those that do commissions (aka ME).  Graphic design and custom character art requires the interested party, details, and what they are needing for their service.  Graphic design is COMPLETELY commission/ client based.  If anyone thinks artists don't need a graphic Designer... think again.  There is kerning, leading, tracking, typeface, layout costs and so much more that make up an artists identity and system to make them successful.    If your identity is weak and not identiable with the art there... people will forget you and you lose business.  And there may be other artists out there that want to do commissions to so that can hinder their business as well. 

(god im sort of ranting arent I... DX  )

I actually liked the lottery system.  No offense to those that didnt.  Variety and a system of setting up the alley of craftsman and clothing etc in the artist alley and the artists in a section and those that are mixed in another is a good idea.  I think it was sort of set up like that this year but not quite.  I think coming up with a way of figuring out who is selling what and making it CLEAR in the contract that they are to make items like that or similar to sell will help make a placement for people as well as figure out what there is too much of and what needs to be elsewhere.  Maybe a crafts and makers alley so that those people who make things have a place and those who do strictly art and 2d things (or rather mixed) can be in the artist alley.  God... I don;t know what else I could suggest...  :/  My brain is still NDK Con lull and fried with chibis running around making mayhem. 

...  yah.... thats all i can think of at the moment. 


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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 04:38:44 pm »
First of all and I stand by this... We need a bigger venue hands down.  My partner was telling me about the 350 tables... 350.... at Fanime.  Granted thats a HUGE con in California... but we are getting way big now and having a place for all the people who actually want to be there... versus weeding out anyone who wanted one not getting one.  I know I know... but I feel bad when people don't get a table and I think people are just as worthy as all of us having a place to set up and sell what we do best. 

As far as what we got going... Maybe its time to expand areas or multiple spots for people selling?  It would open up more people to sell their work.  I hate to be a mean ass... but one table per pair or person.  I saw some people with a HUGE ass display and two tables.  yes they paid for it... but if they are that popular and big they shouldn't need it (or perhaps they need to be in the dealers room instead) and it can go to someone else who wants to sell their work too that may be new or coming back.  They could also have room behind them for displays to show case the same amount of work that extended to a table that could of been allotted to someone.  IM not trying to be mean... its just a suggestion.

I was really lucky to get a table at all this time around and I shared with a friend.  This was my first time too and I was able to figure things out for next year of what I need to do better and what I need to change.  I admit I wasn't the best thing out there... granted I was selling doll clothing commissions and doll accessories.  Not everyone has dolls (bjds) and many are scared to buy them.  I was able to inform people about dolls as well as hand out my business card to people interested in clothing.  I also had drawing commissions as well (since I am an artist too 2 dimensionally) while I was there that weekend.  I also displayed my graphic design work... which would thus offer to maybe even the artists there and those who came by who didnt have a table that maybe interested in getting work or help done. 

More space is something we would love to have, but unfortunately is not something we can do much about at this point. I am not going to expand on it too much since all the reasons have been touch on in this thread. It certainly is not something we take lightly.

As for setting up other spaces in the hotel, it is not something we can do. We have a contract with the hotel to allow sales in specific places in the hotel. In addition to that, there are not really any more places to put people if we want to continue providing the amount of programming we currently have. Even that is a hard squeeze these days with the amount of panel applications.

As far as a system for those who want a table... from taking the survey and seeing what possibilities are up for this year....

I think having people have the EXACT products to sell a good idea.  Only that can hinder those that do commissions (aka ME).  Graphic design and custom character art requires the interested party, details, and what they are needing for their service.  Graphic design is COMPLETELY commission/ client based.  If anyone thinks artists don't need a graphic Designer... think again.  There is kerning, leading, tracking, typeface, layout costs and so much more that make up an artists identity and system to make them successful.    If your identity is weak and not identiable with the art there... people will forget you and you lose business.  And there may be other artists out there that want to do commissions to so that can hinder their business as well. 

(god im sort of ranting arent I... DX  )

I actually liked the lottery system.  No offense to those that didnt.  Variety and a system of setting up the alley of craftsman and clothing etc in the artist alley and the artists in a section and those that are mixed in another is a good idea.  I think it was sort of set up like that this year but not quite.  I think coming up with a way of figuring out who is selling what and making it CLEAR in the contract that they are to make items like that or similar to sell will help make a placement for people as well as figure out what there is too much of and what needs to be elsewhere.  Maybe a crafts and makers alley so that those people who make things have a place and those who do strictly art and 2d things (or rather mixed) can be in the artist alley.  God... I don;t know what else I could suggest...  :/  My brain is still NDK Con lull and fried with chibis running around making mayhem. 

...  yah.... thats all i can think of at the moment.

Thank you for the suggestions. We are always willing to hear about other ways to make the process better. We will be discussing ways to make things better of the next couple months and hopefully have a better, smoother process all around.
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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 10:23:24 pm »
Though Wander Studios didn't get a table this year, and I'll admit I cried about it, I felt that the lottery system was really the only way to be completely fair. I support the lottery system completely.

Something I don't support completely is having to know exactly what you're going to be selling when you put in the application. I think it's a good idea to have a list and as many photos as possible to avoid duplicates and stealing of ideas, but I personally come up with a lot of new things inbetween application time and the kan. I also don't make anything unless I have a table, so I do a lot of my art and crafting over the summer.
There needs to be room for communication of "Oh we decided to do this too! and we're not doing this anymore!" and have things added to or removed from product listings. Of course, this gives the AA head a lot to look over, especially if a group makes a lot of changes...

So! I think it would be a good idea to maybe have a deadline like some of the other con events, maybe sometime in August, where a final list of products is submitted with photos and approved; with possible communication over the summer for approval of different products before they're mass produced and then end up denied for whatever reason. That way the AA head doesn't have to keep track of a bunch of wishy washy changes, but there's room for artists to change their mind over the summer. This probably should apply more to crafts than art, but it'd be something to consider.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 11:03:02 pm »
Also, is it possible to have like...the sort of things you're selling be limited?

For example, we mainly sell arts and crafts based on specific characters/series...so if we suddenly showed up with BJD clothes and cosplay accessories, we would have deeply misrepresented what we sold. However, if we showed up with bookmarks made from our art, this wouldn't be that out of line.

Maybe, how groups are separated into art, crafts, etc...say you can't move out of that AREA (i.e. If you register as an artist, all things at your table need to be variations of your art, if you registered as a crafts person, you can't show up with a bunch of prints), and any object that is a big ticket and unique need to be informed before showing up at the con (I.E. if you sell prints, and decide you wanna screen art on to t-shirts, you need to let AA know. Say, to put an arbitrary number, anything you'd sell for over $5), but not micro managed to things like "I added stickers of my art cause I found a company who does cheap sticker runs."

I don't think anymore tables can easily be put into the artist alley, as sad as that makes me. It's...not too crowded, but at maximum capacity. It's too bad the hotel won't give us the area along the hall way like they give Star Fest. But I do agree with the "No two tables." And I also feel like, like...I know my group couldn't do half a table, but maybe some sort of reward for people who do take one? I know they pay less, because they're getting less, but...IDK, I know our tables are fairly cheap, so maybe not something monetary. I have no idea what would be a good benefit, but it might encourage people who can to go for the half tables.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 11:35:22 pm »
Also, is it possible to have like...the sort of things you're selling be limited?

For example, we mainly sell arts and crafts based on specific characters/series...so if we suddenly showed up with BJD clothes and cosplay accessories, we would have deeply misrepresented what we sold. However, if we showed up with bookmarks made from our art, this wouldn't be that out of line.

Maybe, how groups are separated into art, crafts, etc...say you can't move out of that AREA (i.e. If you register as an artist, all things at your table need to be variations of your art, if you registered as a crafts person, you can't show up with a bunch of prints), and any object that is a big ticket and unique need to be informed before showing up at the con (I.E. if you sell prints, and decide you wanna screen art on to t-shirts, you need to let AA know. Say, to put an arbitrary number, anything you'd sell for over $5), but not micro managed to things like "I added stickers of my art cause I found a company who does cheap sticker runs.

but what if, using your example, inbetween application and con you suddenly got really into BJD's and wanted to do some of that kind of stuff to sell at your table because you enjoy it and you want to share that? Also suddenly switching from art to crafts -is- a big step but what about people who go from art or mixed to crafts? Friends of mine this year were going to be a Mixed category table but couldn't get their art finished/prints made before con so they went without. I don't think there should be a rule penalizing an instance that could happen by accident or poor circumstances. Any limitations should be concerned with duplicates, not necessarily artcraft type, and it shouldn't be a huge problem to switch from one category to another unless tables are going to be allocated based on type. Which I don't think they should ever be, it'd add a whole new layer of crazy to getting a table. (not trying to start a fight btw! just my opinion! <3)

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 12:30:44 am »
No worries, I see what you're saying. :3

Is there a rule penalizing if you DON'T bring something? I though the rule about products was more to make sure....there was not too much overlap, or someone who saw that table A made something awesome and unique and sold a lot of them....so they were going to make it too.

And I do understand, but I personally think...it's a fair enough compromise to say that in the 9 months or so between registering and the con you can't do a complete 180 on what you bring. And maybe somewhere in between, so like...if you signed up to only sell art, and then realized you made awesome hats, you could change to art AND crafts if there wasn't already someone making hats that were similar. But you couldn't totally abandon what you signed up for, and the heads of AA would have the right to say "Sorry, someone has a table already selling very similar hats." I also dunno if NDK does it, but I know some cons arrange tables by what they sell so people don't get overwhelmed by seeing 8 tables selling hats in a row, causing person 8 to lose sales because...really, if all your hat needs aren't meet in 7 tables you have some pretty intense hat needs XD And if they place you next to Sophie the Hatter who only makes hats, because you only make prints and you aren't competing at all...and suddenly you show up with half your stock as hats, then it becomes an issue.

I don't think going from mixed to arts or crafts is a huge deal, but I do know they aim to have a nice mix of "types" of tables. So if they got 10 arts, and 10 crafts, and 10 mixed, so everything was even...and suddenly everyone wanted to do only crafts, then the balance is ruined. I doubt it'd ever happen in those extremes, but that would be the issue in switching.  Like I think some kind of compromise could be worked out, but that seems to be the logistic issue with letting anyione switch at will.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 09:11:02 am »
We do allow for changes and addiing products to what you'd like to sell, we had several people send emails and pms asking if they could add this or that product, this is mostly for new products, if its something like buttons or bookmarks of the same prints you made then its not really a problem, its like the art and dolls you mentioned.

As for a product limit, we are talking about instating one at NDK 2011, there will be more information once we have determined the final number.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2010, 10:11:56 am »
There needs to be room for communication of "Oh we decided to do this too! and we're not doing this anymore!" and have things added to or removed from product listings. Of course, this gives the AA head a lot to look over, especially if a group makes a lot of changes...

So! I think it would be a good idea to maybe have a deadline like some of the other con events, maybe sometime in August, where a final list of products is submitted with photos and approved; with possible communication over the summer for approval of different products before they're mass produced and then end up denied for whatever reason. That way the AA head doesn't have to keep track of a bunch of wishy washy changes, but there's room for artists to change their mind over the summer. This probably should apply more to crafts than art, but it'd be something to consider.
As Yuki mentioned, we do have room for that, as long as you communicate with us! If you say you're doing prints and show up with plushies without telling us, of course we'll feel deceived. But if you tell us partway through that hey, you started making plushies and want to bring them in addition to prints, that's different.

I think that a final deadline is a great idea. We'd much rather talk and approve things beforehand instead of being surprised at the con!  I know that, as an artist myself, I'll get into things I never suspected and I'll want to start making them. If there are artists who want to expand their options, I think it's a good idea to allow them to, with the understanding that artists can't just up and flat out change what they're selling. We'll definitely consider this idea, if we feel that the current system isn't up to snuff. :)
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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 09:02:51 pm »
'Kay, as long as communication is encouraged I'm happy ^^

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2010, 10:35:40 pm »
I don't think a product limit is a horrible idea, but if there is one can we please, please do it by either a) Cash made (Which is A++ for a limit situation), or b) Items sold?

I also notice...at Otakon it was buy items sold, and most people who followed the rules didn't sell anything fanart-y under $5, which really sucked for people who wanted to support artist but didn't have a lot of $$$ or people who wanted to support a lot of artist a little bit.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2010, 12:10:41 pm »
If there is to be a product limit, it would be by items brought to sell, not by items actually sold or by cash made. And this limit would be extended only to products featuring licensed characters, not original characters or products.
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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2010, 03:30:42 pm »
If there is to be a product limit, it would be by items brought to sell, not by items actually sold or by cash made. And this limit would be extended only to products featuring licensed characters, not original characters or products.

I understand the reasoning behind a product limit, but I don't support moving in this direction.  My issue with a product limit rule is that will be problems implementing it.

If there is an issue with fanart being sold, it would be much preferable just to implement a total ban on fanart.  This rule is easy to understand, easy to follow, and leaves pretty much no room for loopholes.  But most importantly, it would be easy for staffers to actually enforce this rule. 

On the other hand, a product limitation on fanart is difficult, if not impossible to enforce effectively, short of having a staffer constantly watch the stock of each and every artist in the artist alley for the entire duration of the convention.

Additionally, people who are most likely to try to get around the rule are people who sell the most fanart in the first place (since they would have the most to gain by doing so).  This puts people who are actually following the rules at an even greater disadvantage and in the end only punishes those artists following the rules who did not even sell as much fanart to begin with.  This is what I've observed happening at Otakon every year that they've had a "fanart limit".

For all of these reasons, it would be better just place no limitations on what people want to bring.  Or, a total ban on fanart.  A product limitation, while a noble attempt at trying to reach a compromise, ends up not working out well for the reasons listed above.

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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 04:13:40 pm »
If you're not selling fanart, a ban on fanart doesn't effect you one way or the other.

At Otakon there is no limitation on bringing anything not fanart, and people who don't do fanart aren't limited in any way, shape, or form. If you sell entirely original content, you weren't limited in anyway. It was why a lot of people upped their original content (Which is, admittedly, a BIG plus of limits, for me anyway) If you didn't sell fanart, you weren't punished at all, and those rules didn't have anything to do with you. As Enigma said, the limit is only to products featuring licensed characters.

My issues with limiting stock is that it's easy to cheat in multiple ways, as you saw at Otakon. It was really frustrating that my group stuck to their guns, cut down our stock, and then got there to find multiple tables clearly selling more then 200 pieces of fanart.

And when you limit by item numbers instead of by cash, the first things to go are buttons, stickers, etc. Cause if I'm there to sell my art, I want people to buy my art, and where as I know 200 stickers, buttons, etc will sell fast, I'd rather cut those out, so I can bring actual art. I, personally, find it unfair to the con goers who want to collect artist buttons, but...if I'm forced to choose between my art, and my buttons...I'm in an Artist Alley.

The only way the rules was hard to understand, and the only loophole to take advantage of was "What is fanart" and banning fanart doesn't get rid of that. (Enforcement, however, is hard because it's such an easy rule to cheat)

And I'm copy/pasting something I said in the Otakon boards, so if this seems familiar, I'm sorry, but it seems relevant:

And really I think the point is...AAs are place...not limited to but with the general idea of fans sharing fannished themed art, whether it's original or not. If you had nothing to do with fandom and didn't like and draw inspiration from it, an AAs not exactly the place for you, and there are many, many better suited places. Which is why you don't see, say, a lot of post impressionistic or harlem renaissance inspired painting in the AA. Fandom is a wide term, we were sandwiched between an artist who had almost all American Superhero art, and an artist who did Gothic Lolita fashion, and those are pretty far apart, but both fit there perfectly. However, I think saying fanart doesn't belong in an AA....that's the point of it. It's great that it can be fluid and move past that as well, but that's what it's for, is a place for geeky artist to geek together and geek to customers who they might not be able to connect with in a more formal art gallery setting.

And even a lot of the original art we sold, and people around us were selling, had themes that people were familiar (Steampunk, Mucha/art nouveau, gothic lolita, etc) so guest weren't even going that far out on a limb with original stuff. That doesn't have to do with the limit rules, but it's a dangerous slope to start pointing finger about originality based on subject matter and not art quality. (And I saw original things that lacked any creativity and fanart things that were mind blowingly creative).

(edited to clarify a sentence that made no sense)

Also edited to add in this so I don't double post:

People can cheat with a sales chart. But if you set a cap at $2000 you both set the companies at rest, and give you artist plenty of lee way. And although people can cheat, it's the same thing we have to do for the IRS, and they probably have a lot more stock in it. And just like the IRS if something smell fishy, you can audit someone, tell them not to empty their tills till the end of the weekend, etc.
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Re: Changes in Artists Alley for 2011
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 04:59:06 pm »
Terra this is for the NDK Artist Alley, not Otakon, while they have some good rules, we are in the process of clairfying ours, I assure that what ever limit we put in place will be clear when we realease the updated rules, until the new list of rules are up, I will be locking this thread.