This will be my first con. I have a question about guns.

[Death the Kid]

I have read the weapons policy, and a few of the topics regarding guns on the forum.

I understand that if a gun looks "realistic" it is not permitted. But I have also heard that if they have an orange tip they should be okay.

I will be cosplaying Death The Kid, and so I consider a sharp looking pair of guns to be a very important part of the costume. It just wouldn't be the same at all without them.

I was considering purchasing a pair of these http://www.hobbytron.com/SpringBerettaM92FSPistolFPS260AirsoftGun.html, and then giving them the appropriate paint job (I would be sure to keep the orange tips completely visible), and filling the inside with some kind of substance that would harden, to render them completely unable to fire anything.

Before I make the purchase, I need to know if I would be allowed to carry these under those circumstances - orange tip visible, and rendered useless for firing.

Please let me know.

Thanks guys.

- Felix

[theshadow]

The rule of thumb is this, if at 20 yards it looks real then its not allowed.

I have read the weapons policy, and a few of the topics regarding guns on the forum.

I understand that if a gun looks "realistic" it is not permitted. But I have also heard that if they have an orange tip they should be okay.

I will be cosplaying Death The Kid, and so I consider a sharp looking pair of guns to be a very important part of the costume. It just wouldn't be the same at all without them.

I was considering purchasing a pair of these http://www.hobbytron.com/SpringBerettaM92FSPistolFPS260AirsoftGun.html, and then giving them the appropriate paint job (I would be sure to keep the orange tips completely visible), and filling the inside with some kind of substance that would harden, to render them completely unable to fire anything.

Before I make the purchase, I need to know if I would be allowed to carry these under those circumstances - orange tip visible, and rendered useless for firing.

Please let me know.

Thanks guys.

- Felix

[~Irony~]

Also, I am by no means sure of this, but I believe as long as you could Definitely tell they were fake (Like the shadow said, maybe even extend the orange a but) and you could PROVE that they were no longer functioning it would be fine, but as I said I am not positive.

[toadstoolssecretluvchild]

I understand that if a gun looks "realistic" it is not permitted. But I have also heard that if they have an orange tip they should be okay.

yeah , you said it best already and if after while you still have doubts about it, then probably use something else so you can still have fun, like a more toy-ish gun, foam or whatever

[Katie]

From what I've been told before Airsoft guns aren't allowed, I'm not sure if what you're doing to them will effect the decision or not. To most people it will look like we're letting you run around with airsoft guns while we tell someone else with them no.

I would suggest PM'ing 'OPsChiefJer' He's the one who makes the decisions on weapons.

[Death the Kid]

From what I've been told before Airsoft guns aren't allowed, I'm not sure if what you're doing to them will effect the decision or not. To most people it will look like we're letting you run around with airsoft guns while we tell someone else with them no.

I would suggest PM'ing 'OPsChiefJer' He's the one who makes the decisions on weapons.

Thanks a lot. I appreciate the help and information.

[intheschemeofthings]

The rule of thumb is this, if at 20 yards it looks real then its not allowed.

But can't pretty much anything (Even painted cardboard) look real from 20 yards away to some people?

[OPsChiefJer]

To avoid any additional confusion, potential for misinformation or misdirection, I am going to go over NDK's policy regarding guns.  This is something that has not been specifically clarified over the years since I have taken charge of Operations, and after having discussed this at length with the Executive Directors after this year's Kan, we will be updating the website's rules page regarding the weapons policy this spring.  In the interim, here is the policy regarding guns, or specifically, replica firearms, since guns are not allowed at Nan Desu Kan.

Generally:
- Replica firearms must have a brightly-colored tip of their barrel.
   (please see examples below)
- Replica firearms must be cleared of any ammunition that they can hold.  
   (i.e. pellets, BBs, darts, Nerf darts, quarrels, bolts, caps, water, etc.)
   This will be checked when the weapons are brought to Ops for peace-bonding.
- BB Guns and Pellet Guns are not allowed.

Airsoft Weapons:
- As above, they must have a brightly-colored tip and must be cleared of any ammunition.
- The body or receiver of the weapon must be clear, transparent, or translucent.
- The power source or propellant (if it can have one) must be removed.
   This includes batteries, compressed air, CO2, or propane.

Cap Guns:
- As above, they must have a brightly-colored tip and must be cleared of any caps.

Water Guns:
- As above, they must have a brightly-colored tip and must be cleared of any liquids.

Prop Guns:
- As above, they must have a brightly-colored tip and must be cleared of any ammunition.

Examples of what is allowed:

- Airsoft Weapons -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320441602/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319708625/

- Cap Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443314/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319710227/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319710383/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319710473/

- Water Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319710549/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443702/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443734/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320461310/

- Nerf(tm) Weapons -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319709121/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319709193/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319709219/

- Prop Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443302/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320442434/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320441970/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319708905/

--- You could paint any of the brightly-colored examples like the first Nerf example (or completely black), and as long as the tip remains brightly-colored, they would still be acceptable.

Examples of what is not allowed, and why:

- Airsoft Weapons -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319708591/
 No colored tip, and with the way it is marked, it looks like an actual SIG.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320441394/
 Even though these have orange tips, they do not have transparent/translucent bodies.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320452984/
 Once again, orange tip, but an opaque body.  Yes, the magazine/clip on top of the P90 is transparent, but it is on the real thing.

- Cap Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443542/
 No colored tip.

- Water Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320443680/
 No colored tip.

- Prop Guns -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320442668/
 Yes it's a Resistance replica rifle, but there's no colored tip.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4319709529/
 Yes, Lady's gun is obviously fake, but the bayonet looks like it is made of metal, and metal blades are not allowed at NDK.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumisu/4320442308/
 Even though once again, this is obviously not a real chain gun, the young woman has attached what looks like a belt of real ammunition to it.  If there was an empty feed assembly attached to the gun, this would be acceptable.

These rules will go live on the main site in the next few months, as well as the updated melee weapon rules.  If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to PM me.

[MAD-3R]

Maybe I'm beating a dead topic, but I thought I'd add my thoughts on this. Something I've done for the last couple of years to avoid any confusion on " Is it real? " was to carry what law enforcement trains with. Rings blue guns and Asp red guns. There's no mistaking one of those. Rings are light blue, Asp is red. But both are identical. No moving parts, solid one piece body, cannot chamber or fire any kind of projectile. And both are a very loud and un-gun color to show that they can't possibly be real. It went over well when I got them peace bonded, and when I was asked to show they were bonded by various staffers.

[nemisis47]

Jer thanks for finally clarifying the guns rule at the con. I now got something to work with when I use weapons at the con ^^

[moviestar]

Bumping from the dead.  I'm accompanying my nephew to the convention this year for a day.  I understand there is a no gun policy, but the wording makes it sound like that is for costumes only.  I'm going to be dressed in normal clothes, and I have a lawful permit to carry a concealed firearm.  Will I still be allowed to carry my firearm concealed as granted with my permit?  Does the hotel not allow firearms?  Your website says no realistic guns, but they will be allowed for cosplay, since I don't plan on even buying my self a ticket and will more or less be a guest of the hotel, does the no firearm rule apply to me as well?  It would be helpful if someone from the Hotel management could chime in, since it is there property and have rights to grant or deny carry based off CO law.

Not trying to pick a fight with your policy, simply trying to understand it better since the wording is sketchy.

[Greg Hines]

I don't know what the hotel's policy is regarding concealed firearms, but their policy is a moot point. Nan Desu Kan rents the entire hotel during the convention weekend, which means our own policies are also in effect throughout the hotel (and the hotel respects them). Real guns are not permitted at Nan Desu Kan under any circumstances.

[William]

I don't know what the hotel's policy is regarding concealed firearms, but their policy is a moot point. Nan Desu Kan rents the entire hotel during the convention weekend, which means our own policies are also in effect throughout the hotel (and the hotel respects them). Real guns are not permitted at Nan Desu Kan under any circumstances.

Cheers

[Greg Hines]

Cheers

It doesn't look like William has a note about it on his profile anymore, but he works for the Marriott DTC (in a management-level position). I hope this provides a sufficiently complete answer to your question, moviestar.

[Sarge]

I just spoke with Marriott Security, and they confirm.  Hotel policy is that no firearms are allowed in the Hotel.  They may be stored in your vehicle, but not carried.

[moviestar]

I just spoke with Marriott Security, and they confirm.  Hotel policy is that no firearms are allowed in the Hotel.  They may be stored in your vehicle, but not carried.

Is that written somewhere I can view it? Because I got a different answer than that when I contacted them.  They told me if I was using it for a job I would have to declare it with security.

[Execdirec]

moviestar,

I personally spoke with the the convention's Hotel Liaison, and the Head of Security this afternoon, and obtained the policy on guns in the hotel:

"Hotel guests are allowed to bring a concealed weapon onto the premises, but have to leave the weapon in their sleeping room or in their car.  Any other guests are not allowed to bring concealed weapons onto the hotel's premises.  There are no weapons allowed in the hotel's public space, outside of law enforcement officials."

If you plan on purchasing a hotel room, you would be considered a 'guest of the hotel'.  Therefore, you would be required to leave your firearm in your room, or in your car.  

If you do not plan on purchasing a hotel room, that means you are not a guest of the hotel, and in a 'public space' and therefore not allowed to carry a firearm.  If you are in any of the public spaces of the hotel, you are technically in NDK's convention space, as we rent out the entire facility, and are bound by contract to enforce our own policies.  

It stands to reason that if we do not allow realistic looking guns and/or firearms, we would also not allow actual firearms. However, allow me to be absolutely clear:  No firearms whatsover.  If a firearm is brought onto the premises, the police will be notified; no exceptions. Guns have no place here- period.

Furthermore, if you do not plan on purchasing a pass for the convention, you will not be allowed in the convention rooms, and cannot accompany your nephew.  We have people checking badges at every door.  Also, keep in mind that we require anyone under the age of 16 to be accompanied by an adult.

If you have any further questions, PM me, or speak to the Head of Security at the Marriott.  His name is Drew- ask the front desk to connect you.