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Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« on: September 13, 2009, 04:52:19 pm »
I've been a loyal kan-goer since 2001 and I've loved every minute of it. However, I feel I must address my concern for the behavior trend I watched develop this weekend regarding the projection of authority by certain staff members. What started off as instruction and guidance for lines and manners has quickly escalated to barking orders and screaming at con-goers over the slightest infraction or, in certain instances, zero provocation.

I completely understand the need to maintain order among so many attendees for the purposes of safety and to expedite the transitions between events and panels, but the methods being used are completely unacceptable. I did not pay $50 to have a complete stranger shriek at me like an epileptic banshee for pausing in a hallway to read a text message or try to find the group I was walking with. I do not believe that con volunteers have the right to wrongfully blame me for the actions of a completely different person, leading to me being interrogated by hotel staff. I will never again tolerate a staff member shoving a finger in my face with wild accusations. These incidences were absolutely unprecedented in my experience with NDK, yet they happened in rapid succession and will be the most prevalent memories I will have about this year.

As far as helpfulness goes, staff members are generally top-notch at providing information on the location of lines, booths, and services. Thumbs up in that regard. And when it comes to con safety or emergencies, like a guest collapsing in the atrium needing to be moved to an EMS station or to an ambulance, I fully recognize the authority of the con staff to do whatever is necessary to get that person to safety. Politeness is not a prerequisite when it comes to a persons health and well-being. Shouting, "Clear a hole" or holding human traffic back is exactly what the doctor ordered in these instances, do what you have to do. But screaming at people, not speaking loudly or clearly, but angrily growling or even insulting con-goers should not be tolerated as a professional manner.

I experienced these debacles several times over the weekend, only once where it was actually me being directed to move, but overhearing or witnessing all the others. I was absolutely shocked at the behavior of the staff member who was trying to direct me. Near the dealers room and behind the registration area there is a T-intersection of hallway. At the particular instance there was a line forming along one wall, and was bifurcated by the intersection. The line was not moving at this time, the event had not even opened up yet.


I had become separated from my group and I paused to turn around and see if they were still behind me. Within seconds, this staff member began barking at me with a fervor I've never seen. Thinking I was about to get run over by a gurney or that I was in the middle of a picture or that people were moving behind me, I spun around. Nothing. There was no emergency and people were not flowing around me as though I had become a human dam. Upon further observation, I found that this line only had 25, maybe 30, people in it. It was not moving, and I was the only person standing in the intersection. This was later on Friday, when traffic from registration had died down and only the few Friday-goers were wandering around. People were not being help up and I could have easily done cartwheels without coming near anyone else.

So why was this staff member screaming at me? He wasn't shouting, he wasn't directing, he was absolutely screaming. I understand that the con can be a madhouse at times, and that this year experienced record numbers. I also know that lines can get incredibly hectic and require forcefull direction to keep traffic moving, such as near the main events hall and during the costume contest. And I'm definitely on the same page when it comes to how stupid and inconsiderate the masses can become, and how frustrating it can be for staff members to wrangle these people for their own good. I know many of you on the staff are positively burnt-out by the end of the weekend, but this mans behavior on the first day was absolutely uncalled-for.  

This year alone I was given the incredible opportunity to branch out into several other conventions. After going to NDK and StarFest for years and years, I finally got to attend San Diego Comic Con and the New York City Comic Con. Both of those events drastically overshadow our local annuals by orders of magnitude. I truly got to experience human swarms and endless lines. To be honest, I came away frustrated. While the bigger cons have more stuff, bigger stuff, and cooler stuff, I preferred NDK where I could turn around without my costume breaking, and there was enough space that stopping to take a picture was even possible. I love our homebrew Colorado cons, to this day. But imagine me, who had only a few months ago stood in line with 60,000 people without incident, being shouted at for "blocking" a line of 30 people that wasn't even moving.

Another personal instance occurred around 10pm on Saturday. I had walked outside with my friends to cool off from our costumes when we saw a gothed-out hearse with bat wings pull into the parking lot. The hearse is owned by a friend of mine, but I did not know he would be coming by, and I only got to talk to him much later. This hearse was equipped with propane smokestacks, and a 5-foot torch was burning on it's hood. A crowd quickly gathered to take pictures and investigate the commotion. It wasn't five minutes later until an officious-looking staff member equipped with a radio headset stomped up to me with two hotel managers behind him. He promptly shoved his finger in my face and shouted, "It's his car. This guy is the owner." The hotel managers then descended upon me and began shouting that I they were going to call the fire department and that I needed to turn off the flames and move the car immediately.

Now, mistaken identity is something I deal with a lot. I own two movie cars, one of which has been copied several times, and it is very common for me to be mistaken for someone else, and vice-versa. If the staff member had asked me if I owned the car, it would have been a different situation. But instead he abrasively accused me, and sicced the hotel goons on me without any kind of confirmation on my part. What this caused was, even though I calmly and clearly denied owning the car, in the hotel's minds I was now somehow associated with it, and need to be interrogated further on why it was here and what it was doing.

After the flames had been quelled, the staff member started to leave. A person in the crowd said to the person beside them, "I wish they would turn it on just for a minute so I could get a picture." The staff member lunged toward this person and shouted, "It won't be turned back on, ever."

Now, maybe shorter shifts or longer breaks are in order for staff members. Or maybe more screening needs to take place so that those wearing staff shirts are assured to be professional and not succumb to power-mad tendencies of Hall Monitor Syndrome. I understand that you may cosplaying as a riot cop or SWAT member, but do not think for a second that that will keep your behavior from falling under the legal classification of harassment.

As a staff member, this person is a representative of the convention and the organizational body behind it as a whole. I would personally very much like to never see this person in any position of authority ever again. I left the con shortly afterwards, heading home to get out of my costume and cool my head. I headed back to enjoy some the wonderful late-night conversation, but I was still pretty skeeved about the whole ordeal.

I did register my complaint with Ops, and they were more than eager to apologize. However, it was not them that needed to apologize. It was not their behavior that upset my group of friends and they should not have to be accountable for it any more than I should have been accountable for parking a flaming hearse in front of the hotel.

Needless to say, the incidences I encountered and witnessed this year have absolutely changed my opinion of the convention itself. Having been to the coastal cons I can say that I have experienced far worse situations that were dealt with in far better manners. I honestly feel like the staff attitude has changed, and new blood is needed to keep the attitude towards people who are paying to be there helpful and polite. One more, I understand the need for this type of direction at the necessary times, but what I saw went far beyond what can be seen as acceptable and serious changes will need to be made before I can attend or sincerely recommend this convention again.

If any of you have experienced or witnessed this sort of behavior, please post about it in this thread so that we may get the word out on these bad apples that are bringing down what was otherwise an enjoyable convention.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 05:11:08 pm »
I posted a rant on another thread about how ridiculous it is to sell guns in the dealer room but they can't be peacebinded due to being too realistic.
I understand the rule, but I think it's a bit counter-productive for that kind of thing to be happening at the con.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 06:07:47 pm »
I posted a rant on another thread about how ridiculous it is to sell guns in the dealer room but they can't be peacebinded due to being too realistic.
I understand the rule, but I think it's a bit counter-productive for that kind of thing to be happening at the con.

Well that makes sense. You can buy hentai in the dealers room, but you cant walk around waving it about.

The problem with any form of volunteer support anywhere is the abuse of power. Not to say that they were abusing their power on purpose (even though some where.) But it seems like common sense among a few of the security was so rare it could be considered a super power (HSB quoted) Honestly, I felt like I couldn't laugh to loud because i would get in trouble.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 06:58:02 pm »
+10. End of story.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 06:58:51 pm »
Actually...this year was MUCH better than last year (IMO).  That being said...there WAS one major incident.  I'm actually a little curious as to who the culprit was in the TC's incident, just to see if it's the same one, but here is not the place to single people out.

The Battle of the Rock Bands event was in Main events.  JUST prior to it was something relating to the Cosplay contest.  Now, I was told to have my band (we were participating) show up right at 4, with our equipment.  We did just that.  Drums, two guitars, mics...etc.  There were at least two other bands with their equipment as well.  As soon as we got there, this gentleman began YELLING at us to turn around and walk away, that this was the line for "cosplay".  He didn't ask us nicely, he never said excuse me...the first action towards us was loud, and hostile.  I retorted with "We were told to be here at 4".  The rest of the conversation is below:

Him: I don't CARE what you were told, you need to turn around.
Me: Where then, do we need to go, because we are competing in the Main Events room
Him: I NEED YOU OUT OF THE WAY NOW!
Me: Ok...no need to get rude, Im asking you to direct us.  If we are in the wrong place, then by all means show us where we need to go.

The next three or four exchanges were variations of the last exchange.  Us being yelled at (not directed), and me trying to calm him down, and ask what to do.

This was followed by a staff member grabbing the bands and telling us to go on in.  We stepped 2 feet into the door, and two staff members IN main events started yelling (they were far off, no harm to the yelling there) that we weren't supposed to be in there.  We turned around and walked back out.  This happend probably 3 times.  No one at main events had ANY idea what was going on.  All the while, my band, as well as the one behind me were lugging around pretty expensive video game equipment, that neither the other congoers OR the staff were being considerate of.  

That all being said, other than that, the staff this year was MUCH better than last year imo.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 07:20:54 pm »
the staff was pretty ridiculous. even though this was my first year i was positive that the staff should not be yelling at the con goers to get out of the way.

but on the good side i did find many of the staff very help full in telling me where certain things were.
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2009, 07:40:47 pm »
I have taken the time to read your entire post, but I disagree that you have been miss treated, and that the NDK staff are Nazi.

Yes, I have had a few bad experiences from the staff as well. I have been yelled and growled at to not block walkways or photo shoots. I think everybody at the convention has experienced this a few times a day at least. It may appear as the staff is being over zealous or power hunger; but I think that the staff is doing their job to keep the convention safe. Yes they may wrongfully accuse people sometimes. They are people, who can make mistakes, and are constantly looking for any safety hazard among crowds made up of thousands of people. You and all convention attendees including me have stopped in a common walk or accidently walked through a photo shoot, it is not preventable, and sometimes not realized. I myself had to say sorry a few times after accidently walking through a photo shoot or blocking a walkway, or knocking someone over accidently. It is just as easy to accidently be wrongfully accused of something, as it is to do something without being aware of it. This does not mean you or anybody is being personally dogged down harassed, bullied, or nazied. This does not mean a staff member is personally and intentionally dogging anybody down, harassing them, bullying them, or being a Nazi.

Yes the convention staff yells at the very top of their lungs, as hard as they can; so do most of the people attending the convention. There are thousands of people at conventions who are yelling to yell over the other people yelling, and all of this sound is being bounced off of its surroundings. It is necessary for the staff to yell to be herd, particularly if they did in fact need to be herd for and emergency or safety reason.

The NDK staff and hotel staff have the same responsibility to keep the convention safe, nice, and decent. Both types of staff DO have the same authority to uphold the safety of the convention. They may cosplay SWAT uniforms or may have official security uniforms, however if their uniforms are cosplay, it does not reduce their authority, or mean they do not have authority. Yes there are staffs Members who ARE official and authorized security personal.
 
As for the incident of you being wrongly fully accused for the fire: At the risk of safety the staff members do have the authority to find out who has broken the rules and endangered the safety of thousand, they do not have super powers that enable them to instantly know who the correct offender is. They have to find this out, and manage a fire threat at the same time. You and most likely other people in the surrounding area may have been wrongly accused, this happens. It is not a personal attack on you, it is part of a procedure to stop and prevent a dangerous situation.

As for the staff member who yelled the fire will not happen again; he/she had the right to yell that. The fire should not have happened once. It is stated several times in the rules that anything dangerous and harmful will not be tolerated at the convention. It is obvious fire is dangerous and a weapon.  Once a person has accepted a NDK convention pass they have accepted to fallow the rules, and have accepted that the NDK and hotel staff have the authority to question and ban anybody who is breaking the rules.

An experienced convention attendant as you claim to be should be able to recognize false accusations are not personal, are mistakes and may be necessary.

My personal experience with the NDK And hotel staff members this year has been great. They helped me with stopping someone from harassing me, fixing a safety hazard in the hall, and preventing my wallet from being stolen. And all 4 people who helped me were willing and happy to do so, all three NDK staff members and one hotel member who helped me.

Yes the dealers room do sell thing that are not allowed at the convention. It is your responsibility to take any purchases off banned items to a different location from the convention. If you are staying in the same hotel that the convention is held at, take those items to your room and leave them their and a secure and safe manner.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2009, 08:14:02 pm »
As I do not want to beat around the bush with the particular issue, I will be blunt and direct: You do not know what you are talking about.

These staff members were not yelling for the sake of volume, but for the sake of authority through aggression. "Please keep moving," is completely different from, "Get the hell out of the hallway." One is professional and one is not. As for the owner of the hearse, they did not buy a convention pass and are not subject to rules and regulations on the convention, though they do fall under the authority of the hotel itself. Had the staff member turned to the person and stated it will not be turned on again, I would understand. Lunging and screeching at the person as though they could get in trouble merely for saying what they did is not something you would ever see at a major convention.

I will not deny the fact that you found the con staff to be very helpful and cooperative. This is largely very true. The purpose of this post is to let the staff know that there are maybe half a dozen staff members who do not know how to approach con-goers in a respectful and professional manner.

The NDK staff and hotel staff have the same responsibility to keep the convention safe, nice, and decent.

The fallacies of your argument become glaringly obvious here, because this exactly the opposite of what we were presented with by those certain staff members.

Again, I think you are assuming that I am taking offense to yelling out instructions. I am not. I am taking offense to yelling for yellings' sake, in order to achieve compliance through intimidation. These staff members were power-drunk bullies, and in a volatile situation like a convention filled with exhausted, likely-intoxicated people, are going to cause more problems that solutions.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2009, 08:41:45 pm »
OP, I am in complete agreement with you.  There were also serious issues in the DDR room during the pro tournament.
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2009, 08:57:31 pm »
You seem to have perceived that I am stating no staff at NDK abuses power. As I seem to have perceived you accusing all staff at NDK being power hunger. It is clear now that we both perceive the other augment as completely one sided when it is not.

I agree there can be and have been some situation when power has been abused. I believe the rest of the NDK staff can determine this without being told through long rants and petitions.

You seem to contradict yourself when you say you understand my quote

 Ã¢â‚¬Å“The NDK staff and hotel staff have the same responsibility to keep the convention safe, nice, and decent.”

And then tell me the person without a pass was subject to the hotel rules not the convention rules. I am pointing out that the rules are the same when you agree or disagree to the NDK rules; you also agree or disagree to the hotel rules. They are one entity.

The person without a pass also had to right to be their, and went their knowingly violating the rules. The person has subjected themselves to the NDK rules, by willingly and knowingly breaking the rules, even though they did not have a pass. That does not excuse them from the rules, as they may have been ban from the convention in a previous year.

I do not think it is fair of you to say I do not know what I am talking about just because I disagree with you, I also do not think it is fair of you to tell me not to post in this thread anymore. You have started a discussion in a forum, not a blog. If you want to have the right to rant and not be replied to, then start a blog.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2009, 09:05:46 pm »
Wow, have you two thought about going into politics?

I would like to point out my self. You say every one with a pass must follow the rules and the staff is there to make sure of that. What about the Staff that was telling me to go put away my  obvious fake toy gun with bright color tip  and bright blue ops givin bonding when there were people waking around with real swords?
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2009, 09:12:25 pm »
This was my first con and i just kind of assumed the staff was always like that. Has it been more lenient in the past?
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2009, 09:13:06 pm »
As for the incident of you being wrongly fully accused for the fire: At the risk of safety the staff members do have the authority to find out who has broken the rules and endangered the safety of thousand, they do not have super powers that enable them to instantly know who the correct offender is. They have to find this out, and manage a fire threat at the same time. You and most likely other people in the surrounding area may have been wrongly accused, this happens. It is not a personal attack on you, it is part of a procedure to stop and prevent a dangerous situation.

That is not the proper procedure. Guess and check might work on a math test, but not in a situation where
1.] The con staff is wasting the hotel staff's time by accusing the wrong person
2.] The person accused is being threatened and harassed for something they did not do
3.] The person who is at fault is not learning of their mistake. Lessons learned by another person do you no good.
The right thing to do would have been for the con staff to have walked out, calmed the crowd down, and asked who the owner was. He did not do this.

I'm with Boomer on this one. You seem like you don't know what you're talking about.

I would like to point out my self. You say every one with a pass must follow the rules and the staff is there to make sure of that. What about the Staff that was telling me to go put away my  obvious fake toy gun with bright color tip  and bright blue ops givin bonding when there were people waking around with real swords?
eople waking around with real swords?

People will always get away with carrying around real swords, is it because they're crafty and hide it well? or is it dumb luck? I don't know. But what I will say is this. Guns are a safety issue. The police may not know that you're part of a convention if you walk down the street, and if they think the gun is real, they will take action. A kid from my mom's school dropped a water gun in class, and got suspended for having it. But the police officer at the school said if he had dropped it in the hall, he would have taken him down.
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2009, 09:20:26 pm »
Note:  To the people complain about the dealers

The dealer’s room is a privilege, and the dealers are guest. They do not have to come, and the will not come back if you harass them.

Yes the dealers do sell a great deal of stuff that is not allowed at the convention. The dealer’s room is a major part of why people chose to come to anime conventions. Many people at the convention would like to see the dealers return to sell weapons, hentai, and other items for our personal collection, not convention use. 

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2009, 09:22:03 pm »
Note:  To the people complain about the dealers

The dealer’s room is a privilege, and the dealers are guest. They do not have to come, and the will not come back if you harass them.

Yes the dealers do sell a great deal of stuff that is not allowed at the convention. The dealer’s room is a major part of why people chose to come to anime conventions. Many people at the convention would like to see the dealers return to sell weapons, hentai, and other items for our personal collection, not convention use. 


And they work really hard to make sure you can buy stuff.

Seriously, I helped some dealers unload at AW. That crap is heavy

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2009, 09:23:42 pm »
man i hated the staff this year...i almost never want to come back again...iv never been treated like a freaking child since i actually was CHILD...its like i always say "their isnt anything worse then a nerd who thinks hes important cause he volunteers for a con" just because your "staff" or "volunteers" plz dont think you have the right to yell at me and scold me like im a child crying for a new toy...you are not my father so dont scream at me...you have no right...and every time i was falsely accused of the most stupid crap iv ever herd of such as "running" ...when i was walking!...if you are sooo mentally inferior that you cant tell the difference between walking and "running" then you shouldn't be given the "power" of a volunteer...i pay over hundreds of dollars and drive all the way from fort collins cause i love ndk, i love the ppl there...and everything about it...but i dont not was sooooo much freaking money to be yelled at like a child...in the end...after you make a jack @$$ of you self at yelling at some one cause you think your soo important cause you run a con, or volunteer, or dress up like a swat team member...you just look ridiculous to every one around ...all your doing is killing NDK for everyone around you...i understand that it gets stressful and hard some times...and dont get me wrong...if i was volunteering  i would be screaming at ppl left and right...but thats why im NOT a staff member...if you cant control your emotions then you SHOULD NOT be in power of nerd-thority...iv been going to ndk for a good while now...i know how hectic it can get...but for the love of god...your just a human that works for a con...dont let the con freaking turn you in to HITLER!!!!!!  
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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2009, 09:39:30 pm »
Rumor

I did use the word “procedure”. I did not use the term “proper procedure”


1)That is your opinion; I have stated my opinion, as boomerjinks has stated his/her opinion. I respect your right to your opinion but I disagree with it

2)I know the person was accused of something he/he did not do

My argument was that people will be wrongly accused, it should be expected, even though it may not be acceptable or professional,

Yes it may be done intentionally, but people can also mistakenly wrongfully accuse someone.

3)Your argument suggests the best thing that could have been done. It is very easy to say, not very easy to do. The staff does not have the right to be rude to you just as much as you do not have the right to be rude to them.

Please read my reply to boomerjinks reply, before you say I do not know what I am talking about.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2009, 09:44:40 pm »
My argument was that people will be wrongly accused, it should be expected, even though it may not be acceptable or professional,

Yes it may be done intentionally, but people can also mistakenly wrongfully accuse someone.

Regardless, mistakes or not, this does not make it right.  Especially when it could have been handled better in a mistaken situation or not.

Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2009, 09:51:50 pm »
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It did not say it any of my post it was right ( even though I am defending the NDK staff)

Yes things can be handled better, but i believe the NDK staff is doing the best they can under the conditions they in.

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Re: Staff Behavior at Nan Desu Kan 2009
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2009, 09:58:32 pm »
Regardless, mistakes or not, this does not make it right.  Especially when it could have been handled better in a mistaken situation or not.

took the words right out of my mouth =P
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